TURN 1 - Player Count
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welcome to whose turn is it Anyway you're here with me Davey JP hello Tambo
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hello and Rob hi so this episode I'm going to be doing I'm going to be doing my best Tim Westwood impression all
TURN 2 - Let's Talk About Hex
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right we've got a little bit of a A Pimp My Ride episode but we're calling it
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Davey's Chop Shop where we're going to be switching up some mechanics of your favorite ball games or ball games that
Tambo - Finspan
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you hate one of the two but nice yeah before that let's uh let's talk about
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hex shall
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we so let's start with Tambo what have you been up to so recently I played
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finpan in the dev b game weekend on the Saturday um and it was another span game
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oh really yeah it's it's hard to right so it's it was good in its own way but I
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would say out of wingspan one span and that is the latest yeah so this is like
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the introductory game is the way people have been describing it right yes yeah I mean if you want a lighter weight of all
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the spans I would say fin spans definitely the lighter weight yeah um so it's basically the same process you got
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fish you're trying to have your own sea of fish with their fit span so and um
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you go literally dive you three sections again um it's pretty much the same you you you play cards you got like a play
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card section you've got um um a lay egg section which is like
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you normally do and the last section is a little bit different you got a hatching section so you eggs hatch um
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difference than this one you can only ever have one egg per fish mhm and then if you hatch them they go into these little swarms of three fishes and then
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you can on the hatch inside you get to move them around and if you move three of the Swarms into one area you go to
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big swarm which will double your points at the end so that is probably the only different kind of mechanic that game
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brings okay it's the same otherwise it's pretty much the same otherwise um there are no food resources it's all mainly
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your resource is cards so you to to play a fish you discard cards out your hand and you may always keep your own discard
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pile and then there's there's a mechanic where you can get your discard cards back so you can always think oh I'm not
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I might disc this fish but we'll get it back eventually so you can always think that you think that far ahead okay um
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there is other mechanics where fish eat other fish um so you still got the Predator ability on it um some some cost
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little fish as well so when you um hatch them some fish need to eat them to
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that's another resource sometimes only your own not of people yeah only range you don't affect anyone else um yeah it
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was it's it's it was good I mean if you're a f tell your voice yeah yeah it
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was yeah I mean if you like if you want to lie to wait span that's the best one to have so it's more of one to play with
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your family maybe or maybe just introduce someone to a ball game to the
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the span the series series yeah would definitely fin SP or yeah instruction game but if you've got wingspan you
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probably don't need finpan unless you want to collect them all no yeah say wingspan was I think wingspan's I mean
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on span that people like the most I wingspan I thought was just a bit too it's good you get bigger engines going
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in wingspan but it takes longer between turns right yeah on one span you got good engine you can get going and it's
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quick a lot flent yeah fin span is very flent it's literally boom boom yeah and
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then done but yeah no it's good I mean you have four depths you can go down so when you don't get massive combos going
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yeah okay I do wonder how wide this will span ball game wise oh nice with these
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spans I hope it well I was kind of hoping it stopped at worm from being honest that's just that's my opinion um
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I don't know I I kind of get to the point with these games I'm just like like just do a little groan it's
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cuz they're trying to ride the same Series right if if that it was its own game but had and had a different name it
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probably wouldn't sell as well but we probably also wouldn't feel we wouldn't roll our eyes at it as much right probably you'd be fine with it but I
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mean I think they've they've still was wasn't Jamie saying that he's still got like more spans in the in the a Spang or
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the engine yeah possibly I don't know no I don't know um yeah I mean the end of
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round tiles are exactly the same you have random ones you flip over both sides and well it's called end of week
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tiles in this one but yeah same thing sounds pretty weak um so I don't want to
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diss it CU I like fce band tell us how you really feel Davey I think yeah but I I think you feel about it is weak of the
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F fince band is the weakest one of them yeah yeah people like that but it's targeted for a specific gamer isn't it
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so you know I I rag on it quite a lot in terms of these spans and you know insert
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name here span kind of games but they're not for me anyway so that's probably why
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I do do you know what I mean I'm like I did enjoy worm I enjoyed not play worm yet I think it's actually better than
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wingspan but I would have preferred a different theme I would have preferred the underwater theme on worms span the
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mechanics of worm span the mechanics of worms span and I probably would have enjoyed it more yeah yeah you could just
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do underwat caves you could probably still do it could you really itasy the theme of wingspan I actually thought
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yeah it's like do you want to be a a bird kind of person and and watch Birds it's like great but actually I was like
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thing is really cool cuz it's it's different well it's got all the birds on there with their little stats and everything and it's like it's Associated
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to real animals so it's quite cool in that when that came out I was like this is different cuz it was new like there's
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nothing else like it mhm I thought good job good job wing I owned it for a bit and kind of had my time with it I do
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enjoy wingspan when I play it yeah my family like to play it now and again so definitely our family game yeah yeah did
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it was it just me or did finman just turn up out nowhere cuz I didn't know if it was coming it just oh that there's a fish but this is what stone do and I
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quite like actually what they do in in the way that they announce and release games so they'll keep things secret all
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the way up to the point where maybe two months right and then before release if that yeah so they'll do a big
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announcement say this is the new thing that's dropping and then the pre-order literally is like a week later right
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that's what and then you get the game a month and a half after that which is good because you don't get the whole fomo thing or you don't get the the kind
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of the hype beforehand usually hype a game up and it's a year before it's even released and then you're wait in a year
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right exactly and then it turns up youve forgotten about it you're like oh all right this game so I give them kudos for
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that in the way that they manage and that they're very um kind of sure of of what they what
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they do and the fact they're going to get the numbers and the printing and the sales so you know I'll give them props
Rob - Elder Scrolls: Betrayal of the Second Era
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of that as Stow m games cuz you know Tak some balls to to do it that way yeah whereas the others go we'll play it safe
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and we'll just see who's interested and then we'll send you it seven years later you know but hey but they've kind of got
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the backing there right forand so they can do that yeah they've got the clout yeah nice yeah how about you rob well
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speaking of games that you back and forget about and take seven years to arrive it was it wasn't that long it
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felt like that long though um my copy of the Elder Scrolls yeah they started designing it when the first game came
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out wasn't it the video game seven seven eight years ago I don't know I have no idea on that one and you might have to
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Fat out that one but um but no it's here and it's beautiful it's so pretty and
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yeah this is just like it's fastly become my favorite game ever I absolutely adore for it it's the
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quality of the components is just fantastic and I'm a massive Elder Scrolls fan anyway and for me it just
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hits every you know it presses every button it's incredible I love it yeah me
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and JP played with Paul we did during a live stream so if you want to check that
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out go and check that out for gaming rules we'll put a link in the notes we'll put a link in the notes Che it out but Rob's got it now and I think you
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guys played it on some sometime recently as well yes yeah um a lot to learn
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there's a lot of a lot like too many bones there's a lot of keywords yeah
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and JP knows the when you know all of the keywords for too many bones and you don't really take for you know you take
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for granted how how much that speeds the game up because you know them all yeah
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when you're learning it for the first time and you've got to reference every single one it it took a lot longer than expected and we we had a couple of Ru
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checkups and and things like that and considering how thick the rule book is
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it's actually quite easy to navigate it's probably the the most I've ever looked at a rule book and that's saying
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something cuz I I don't typically you know I refer to them and watch a video but yeah so um we did the first campaign
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and we accidentally did it on a higher complexity than we realized um and the
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complexity kind of comes into what's required of you to to win the engagement rather than the mechanics so it doesn't
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make the game harder it just the scenarios are harder um or at least that was the experience
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we had so um but yeah I mean it's it's just fantastic I just love it the fact it's still set up on the table now yeah
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you know just so that I can try and get to it when I can just to nip in like half an hour an hour if need be um the
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customization the amount that's in that box you know if you had two
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regions there'd be enough there for a long long time but the fact that you've got six regions I think with the
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expansion you get six um and yeah and it's just amazing so I
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love it it's fantastic it's quite fastly becoming my favorite game ever and I look forward to doing a campaign with you as well let's let's quickly talk
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about our character builds then okay cuz that's one of the best bits about the game I found is how modular your
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characters are yeah so there's I don't even know how many different classes that you can be no idea I I'd say about
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10 to 12 different classes that you can be and there's all the races from the game as well so there's
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least six seven races that you can be so I mean the the the customization in that
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alone you want to be a you know a character who's a necromancer you can do that you want to be you know legalist
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you want to be an acrobatic Archer you can do that you can yeah you which JP's
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character um you know you want to be a just a tank um you know just an absolute
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battle brute that soaks up damage you you can do that and you know there's not
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or at least we haven't found that there's not a set kind of a meta everything will work with everything
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it's just kind of what you feel that you want to be so um some things would
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naturally work better with other things though right naturally but it's not because you can tailor it to what how
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you know when you level up you put skill points in what you want you put skill line you know skill points into skill lines that you want to try so um you
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know and you can up all your stats anyway so if you've got a type of character that's low on Magic you can quickly get them to a level where they
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can do that so um I yeah I just think it's fantastic and I think it's going to
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get keep me going for a very very long time so and I got the all in pledge as well course course you did came with so
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like it came with an art the art of uh of the Elder Scrolls and I was like I've been playing this game you know the one
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special van just for you to unload all of the your ball game bits well no cuz I I it it was a standard van but I I pre
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ordered two games and and they they sent them in the same van so I paid for delivery and uh and
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and they came in the same van so I feel a little bit cheated but that was more luck than judgment yeah the fact that they've been on different ships and
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different containers do is it but I didn't see any of that I just saw the guy like I just drop off these two giant
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boxes which uh why did I pay 2020 for shipping yeah so um but no other than
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that that that's kind of what I've been up to and it's a like I said I think we've spoken about it on the pop before
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class classic sort of adventuring game but the fact that it's over three you know three
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chapters let we'll give you a full rundown when we've done all three but um but yeah I loved it I thought it was
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great yeah the the replayability comes with the scenarios along with the character customization right and the
JP - Compile
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fact that there's going to be a lot more variables every time you play it so you're going to get that replayability
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rather than one long Campaign which actually is going to be more accessible definitely I do yeah I understand the
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appeal I really enjoyed it when I played it so yeah I look forward to giving it a go we will definitely do it man I can't
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wait how about you JP yeah I've got a um
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small game that I purchased and I play Marcus for this so if you're listening to Marcus this is all your fault it's
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all your fault um so we was at the Devon ball game weekend and I noticed he had this very small box this Cube looking
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box called compile I've heard about this cuz it's been on my feed like they've been doing some
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aggressive social media marketing on this game because it just must know I like net Runner you must know like I
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like cyber Punky kind of things and it's been like here compile here's compile and I like oh go away booger off booger
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off and then I saw Marcus playing it with Joel from Devon dice podcast and so
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I thought when I get home I I'll just check it out say what is it and then I had a look and went well SS quite fun
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then I bought it cuz it's was like 16 quid so well it's only 16 quid if it's [ __ ] nah do you know what I mean so so
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compile is a jeweling card game so max two player you play as Rogue AI so
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you're both kind of Rogue AI going against each other and don't know what the story is it probably isn't much of a
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story it's just an excuse for it to be a cool theme and you kind of have three
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lines that you you're playing cards into But first you kind of have a drafting phase where
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you have all these protocols that you can draft and I can't remember how many you get in the Box let's say 12 and
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there'll be the things like love death hate speed gravity metal whatever these
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kind of words and each protocol comes with six cards so you pick three or you
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draft three so you kind of first player picks one second player picks two then the other picks two and then you pick
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one so you kind of end up with three protocols each you take your three sets of six cards e your 18 cards Shuffle and
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that's your deck so depending on the protocols you pick will depend on your play style so if you're picking death
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you can expect some knobby kill wipe the board kind of cards in there if you're picking speed you're
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likely to to have a cards that you can shift around the board quite a lot if you're doing um psychi as an example you
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can look at the other players card you know so a lot of the the keywords and the the the powers that these decks are
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kind of bring depends on on what you pick so you pick them and you line up your protocols in three lines and you're
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all kind of playing opposite each other so basically three lines all the way through and the idea of the game is that
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you need to get uh a power of 10 um on
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on the line for you to compile the the protocol flip it over and that's done
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once you've done all three you win so it's really simple what you need to do but like any quite good jeweling car
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game your opponent's stopping you and you're stopping them and you're like doing all these kinds of things so all
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the cards um have a power rating on them that could range from zero to six I
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think um and then usually the zeros are really good powerful abilities and the six are actually probably penalize you
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more for playing them but six right so you're getting close to your goal um and
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uh yeah it's just it's a really fast-paced game me and Josh my son were playing it um at the weekend when we're
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visiting family cuz it's so small the Box you just take it anywhere you want and uh we had a couple of games and
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first game was like what's going on don't really know and I think I ended up winning quite quickly and then he said
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let's play again and then he just got it and then he was just basically [ __ ] me over every five
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minutes and he's like I'm going to pick death and uh yeah just when you're about to get to 10 he's like that card's dead
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that goes in your discard that's erased or whatever and that goes in the trash um so it became this really nice
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push and pull um which is what you want from a jeweling card game really and uh yeah it plays fairly quickly like 30
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minutes 45 minutes and it's just quite cool and uh it's really well produced
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for what it is you know the card stock is really nice it's like foil elements on the cards it's all nice and shiny and
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um but yeah it's just quite a simple game yeah when I saw it it looked more than 16 yeah I can't believe it's any 16
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quid I think I got it for 16 quid I got the little mini expansion for I don't know 8 quid which gives you a few more
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protocols and few more cards to pick from but yeah it's just a little cool
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cool game I'd recommend it you know if you like that kind of I mean it's not really like Netrunner at all if you like
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that kind of cyber Punky card game Vibe give it a GH you always find these
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little gems of card games don't you you always seem to come out come up with them yeah just find them and get them
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and then never play them us what happens but yeah no I I really enjoyed it it's
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uh it's got some cool little mechanisms and I suppose what I should say is that each card has got um like three sections
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on it and this is the clever part because you got a top section which is like an ability that's always on so when
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you play it it's always on so when you do this do a really cool thing you've got a middle section on the card which
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is when you play it or when it is revealed then that will trick so often cards you play end up covering
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other cards so you can get a card that gets covered and then and when it shifts
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over or if it flips over it will trigger that ability again so if you know that you've got an ability that's um you know
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draw three cards uh because drawing cards is a is quite a slow game anyway and you know
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that actually I can orchestrate that if I move that there flip it I'll get free cars and do what I want to do so you can wonder where the programming side came
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in so that's obviously the programming side you're getting a little bit of uh yeah bit of that kind of programming
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nature and then the bottom ability on the card is similar to the top but it will turn off when you put a card over
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it yeah so even just those simple three things and you're kind of jostling going that's a really powerful ability but I
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have to get to 10 on that and and obviously when you go into 10 you need to get 10 but also have more than your
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opponent so you can be in a situation where I'm at 10 and then they're at 10 and you like I need to get to 11 and
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they're like I'm at 12 and you're like so you end up kind of chling and when you comp par line your opponent's cards
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get trashed in that line and so do yours but then you don't really mind cuz you've done what you need to do so the
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timing of what abilities do you want on when do you actually compile and uh cuz
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you're seeing they're getting close you want to wipe their light you know so it's it's yes really good little push
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and pull and you could time it so that if they destroy one of yours it reveals
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something underneath which then does something right just little well not not not in that case cuz the trashes goes in
LOTR: The Trick Taking Game
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your discard pile so it's but the card underneath would be revealed right all of them all go in the discard oh they
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all go in the discard so it's quite ah but you quickly get them back out again so it's not that devastating okay um so
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yeah a tough game it's pretty cool sounds interesting yeah fun different
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so I've played a little game called Lord of the Rings the trick taking game it's
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a nice Snappy title The Fellowship of the Ring The Fellowship of the Ring yeah sorry I didn't say the full title you
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stopped at two thirds of the way through um and I didn't expect to enjoy
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this game as much as I did this this game all it is really is a trick-taking
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co-op game and you think what sorry did you just say trick taken Co-op game yes
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I did just say trick taken Co-op game I'm more impressed you said it that many
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times and you each have you're each have to pick depending well if you have the one
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ring you always you have to be Frodo for most of them Frodo's got a set amount of
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abilities or he got a win condition which is he has to win a certain amount of ring cards of that suit five rings we
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win five rings three rings Rings three rings there's five total in the in the deck then there'll be other characters
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out with other abilities and it depends on what scenario is as to what characters are out and
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from Frodo you then choose what character you think best suits your hand so if you've got a load of high numbers
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you might think oh I'm going to pick Bilbo which I think Bilbo is the one that has to win the most
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hands um and then you've got um Pippen who needs to lose a load um so you might
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if you've got all ones and twos you might want to pick that but it plays
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like a trick-taking game the person that plays the suit that's the suit um and you each have to play from that suit
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unless you can't and then you can change suit so it works in the fact that
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sometimes you're forced to play your best card and you're forced to win a hand because that's what you can do because other people obviously don't
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know and you can't give out that information you can't just say oh well I've got these cards yeah because then
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that would ruin the game you you know there's no point in that but yeah there's really cool little scenarios
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that change it up like you get the ring WS later on that give you negative effects that give you more kind of rule
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sets that you have to work around um and we were literally sitting at the
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table cheering when we got it it's like a woo highing each other yeah the the
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people who were close to us thought we were drunk no we were just having a good time elated I think yeah yeah exactly
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yeah Mary um one of the characters yeah there we go um
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so yeah just surprised me it's a very simple concept you could probably play it with some deck of cards and maybe
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some other cards in all honest yeah um but you'd obviously need the characters and abilities so you need to
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so don't rip off go buy it cuz I'm sure it's not even that expensive it's worth it real good fun easy to
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teach and all the Rings difficult to plan wasn't it it took us a couple of
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attempts to get the first one done and then yeah they're not easy but they were they were just fun even when you lost
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you were just a [ __ ] it's it's a calibration I had this one the biggest comparison I have this game to is the
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crew which is another crew not the crew not going through this again D the crew
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right and uh and that's a co-op trick taken game but you're kind of astronauts doing Spacey missions which you read out
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of a book and go forgotten what that is what we doing again we've got to do a a special thing and it's got the similar kind of thing but this for me excels
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what surpasses that because well one it's Lord of the Rings you can get into it oh fro and thematically you can
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understand why certain things are the way they are as you progress and the fact that you you're following the The
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Narrative of the story which is pretty cool anyway right and uh yeah it's just it's just better and I don't think I've
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had that moment where we were all just like whooping um because after the
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fourth attempt on whatever scenario 3 was going Jesus Christ it takes a while for your brain to
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calibrate to play I think trick taking is an odd fish anyway it's an old it's
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an old mechanic it's been in games for for donkeys years isn't it but when you're not used to it it's just weird
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and then you add the co-op nature and it's just like what cuz you're like I need to lose this or I don't care about
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this one and what you play and and trying to read what cards have been played so that you can mitigate if I
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play this I think Davey's going to be all right I hope he's going to be right he's like bollocks he's not all right he's had to play his high card damn
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we're all screwed we screwed and then you go again so you can get screwed by the deck but it's got a real puzzly
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nature to it and you have to kind of work out and be like oh cuz there's always one card taken out
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yeah and sometimes if you hand off that can get switched back in but it means that the Ys are you can be like oh well
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someone's played I think that's all the high eight mountains gone yeah so I should be safe playing this now mhm and
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so you've got a little bit of like puzzly nature and you have to kind of keep your eye on the ball with it which
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yeah is it's really tense it's very tense a game that is literally trick
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taking and you're just sitting there with numbered cards in front of you it was it was harder to lose like you're
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only allowed to win one that was much harder than I have to win the most because I I don't know whether it's just
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because you're geared up to yeah naturally want to win he like right I've got my one win and then somebody puts
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down a card and you're like oh crap I've now got to win this it's like a really strange feeling like a really
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counterintuitive feeling where you're like I'm really sorry guys I've got win this one and then everyone's just like
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oh start again yeah yeah I always find a little bit of pressure on that game you think you don't want to losing because
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you played really bad or you did the one cups it's like but that's quite cool exchange mechanic at the beginning you
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can know exchange a one cup to a certain characters which is really strong it helps the whole thing yeah if you do it
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right but then you're looking at someone's facial expression thinking have I just given the right card and then when Adrian rolls his eyes
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go it's like great whoops but the the out with this is
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there's also five ring cards so there's uh one to eight of the other four I
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think four there might be four or five um suit types and then you got five of these ring cards which usually Frodo has
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to win but these ring cards can't be played unless they've already broken
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another suit so someone doesn't have that suit and has had to play they can play a ring card cuz Frodo needs to win
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them and then Frodo's got one card that kind of Trumps everything the one ring to rule them all and that's your little
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twist of your normal game play really yeah and but that's it that's the only twist yeah because normally in these
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games you end up with a trump suit yeah that you can play at Trump's everything cu the crew has has a trump suit in it
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you play and it's like done they're the Rockets I think um don't say it Davy and I I had to hold it back Lally it was all
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my willpower did not say it but it's great game cracking game and I'd happily
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play I was quite gutted to see you guys carrying on the scenarios M cuz you carried on I think going got scenario for so I
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like we did that on Friday night didn't we then you guys carried it on on Saturday did happy to play that that's
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quite chill it's chill but tense but it's quite rewarding and it's rewarding
TURN 3 - Main Event: Davey's Chop Shop
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yeah good I need to get it it's got the feel of a party game but the but it's more complex yeah and it's more
28:19
rewarding when you win yeah and it's only four players yeah yeah it's awesome
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but yeah good right so uh driving forward onto our main
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[Music]
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section so in this section we're going to call it Davy Chop Shop um this is going to be like it's about mechanics
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right so this is the tenuous link really um to cars so each category is going to
28:52
have like a different a car and it's going to be that category of game so
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we're going to be picking a game and we're going to be splicing we're going to be cutting bits off we're going to be souping it up and we're going to be kind
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of not I wouldn't say improving it some games some of them probably won't even run let's face it they'll be they'll be
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left on the in the chop shops floor but we're going to give it a go no and please the games that we were saying
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we're not saying that the mechanics are bad we're not saying that it should be this way we're just having a bit of fun with some
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mechanics in games cuz I'm sure you guys have probably well everyone's played a game where they go oh I I feel like this
29:28
can it could really work in this game or oh this could work in this and it's missing this little thing so let's let's
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give it a go and if it doesn't work then hey they'll be like most of the cars and Pimp My Ride after they've done it cuz
29:40
they I don't think many of them ran after what they did to them they took half of it out as well didn't they after
29:46
the show was G he like here's your PlayStation in your boot awesome we're going to have to take that out now what
29:52
you just CAU a hole in my car you legally can't have that on the road with all of this stuff in cuz it's not safe to drive
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why are you taking away my popcorn machine out of the back and that's the point right these games that we're
UNO: World Battle Campaign
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splicing will not be safe to play no no exactly and some some might be some might be you never know yeah we might
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stumble across some pure gold but let's face it probably not probably we're not designers are we no we're not designers
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so we're going to start with the sit and saxo of the board games right so this is going to be a lightweight game I'm going
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to throw in my SPL so I've been working on this through throughout the day I've put some nice pretty colors on I've
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spliced Uno with Hogwarts battle the card game right so you're going to
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you're going to have to play through an UNO campaign battling off other Uno
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players going through gyms and everything else I don't know why gyms cuz that's now Pokemon but still you're
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going to be playing Uno and you're going to have a campaign of it okay oh Jesus
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I'm I'm quite a digger in this Dave cuz Uno's fun and then you get bored of Uno the first
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game of Uno is fun after that that's it so what's different than this campaign so you're going to be unlocking cards as
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you go I'm in unlocked you're going to be unlocking
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cards as you go through you're still going to be battling each other weirdly it's going to be whoever come becomes the best Uno player in the world it's
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going to be the World Tour all right um and you're also going to have like like
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you know reverse cards that come out but they're going to completely change the game like little rule cards that come come out so kind of like flux but better
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um I don't know how you do that but I don't know why but I'm getting like batro Vibes yeah yeah what the poker s
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spin yeah yeah yeah there you go that's a good game then I've made a good it's it's driving from Rog like I really want
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to I really want to hate this idea but it's actually quite good if you think about it right you think about the
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different Uno variations you've got you got standard Uno everyone's play standard Uno you've got Uno flip where
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you've got got you actually flip the cards around in your that could be like a a variant in the campaign there you go
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and you got the different different flavors of Uno being injected it's a little box inside like Hogwarts battle
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you have the little boxes that you open it's that campaign I would buy that I would buy that I think I think that's a
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really good idea so who does it Mattel is it Mattel yeah right Mattel there you
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go get on with it if if you want if you want the Uno battle World Tour yeah yeah
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HD Edition hit me up hit me up so do you think this is going to be roadworthy this is the this is the question yeah
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yeah I'm I'm I'm down we're driving it off the four Court we're actually I like youo I think it'd be right it'd be good
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fun yeah there you go see the Tim Tim Westwood seal of
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approval Harry Potter you have your little Uno shop when you come to the pot buying your cards you have these special Uno cards so you can just yeah make your
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deck bigger sounds interesting you come up with that it sounds I don't know if you want to make your deck bigger you
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know cuz you're trying to get rid of trying to get rid of the card yeah but that could be maybe the the the toss-up so you might need this card so that it
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means you can get rid of more cards later right it's layered it's already getting layered yeah you skip your turn
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to buy a card from the shop instead it's going to be a campaign Uno coming out there we go that's mine has anyone
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else got any s and saos they want to soup up you've kind of set the bar quite high with that one cuz actually it it it
WHO'DO
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it ridiculously carries Merit um 's really excited for this no it shouldn't
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do but it does so I'll go because I was thinking more lightweight I associate lightweight with family games that I can
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play you know with with everyone so I've kind of gone for cludo okay yeah with a
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hidden hidden player element oh the actual murderer is trying is trying to get away with it ah so one of you is the
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murderer one of you is the murderer so you're laying fake clues for the others
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find but there's a little bit like dead of winter in that there's there's a like a chance the murderer might be in the
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room there's a chance that they might not be so add it a bit a bit of spice and a bit of flavor um so yeah so you're
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you're going around and potentially switching cards around uh hudo
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H yeah like a houd done it cludo I mean that's fantastic that's that's where kind of my mind went to cuz I know I
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know this isn't going to go down well but I quite like cludo I quite like playing it with the family it's always
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fun no but it's it's a it's a Gateway game isn't it and that naturally gets the day that naturally gets looked down
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upon by the board Gaming Community um but yeah so for me something like that
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something like a cuz I was thinking Mansions but Mansions is a little bit a little bit dark potentially for for some
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of the family stuff so so yeah something like a yeah somebody trying to manipulate Clues and trying to get away
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with with it I think that' be quite cool I'm down with that yeah I'm down with that I think this this this drives off
Dog Park Bag Em & Tag Em Expansion
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the full court as well I think well not really full court this D past theot it has past theot yeah it's got The
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davies's Chop Shop stamp of approval hudo is
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through that amazing nice There He Go who next Who's Next well I've got a
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lightweight game and JP Rel he's only played it once I think you guys never played it right so it's dog park yeah
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carry on so and this one when it comes to the when you're a dog owner the
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biggest responsibility you normally have when you're walking a dog is picking up poo I agreed and you need poo bags y so
35:37
I believe when they have the when we do the third step in it and you're walking through the park I think every time you move we should have a poo dice okay and
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then you roll this Dice and if you hit the Poo they poo and you have these little poo little tokens you different color for your dogs and you put it on
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the board and then you got to get some poo bag mechanic into it so if you don't pick up your poo by the end of the next
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turn you're going to get negative VPS what what happens if you get like a really weak poo bag that you could potentially put your hand through or
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shitty fingers Rob what happens when the poo is liquid and you just can't and it's on pavement and you're nowhere near
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a power washer so you just lose a points there's like a little on the dice it's just a liquid liquid feces symbol I'm
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sure there could be PA in Parks could there this is dog park so you that is the worst case I went away with yeah
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yeah me sounds like a good mechanic right it's grounded to reality of the the game it's set in and it's kind of
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from your own experience right I want to know what you'd call them the the expansion that you're adding in have you
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thought about that no I haven't thought about that cuz I don't think call it the [ __ ] expansion is probably going to fly for Al to be fair that would get
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attention yeah yeah was it the Poo the Poo to poo bag pick up your poo pick up your poo
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pick up your poo expand yeah maybe the poo or bagged the Poo experience bag and tag him bag tag there we go that's a
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good one if if you run out of poo rags and you've got to leave the poo and then you get Negative VPS for leaving it on
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the floor because you end up on the Facebook Market uh Facebook group for your village and you get slandered yeah
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that's what that's what will happen have you seen this man who's not picked up the Poo yeah and that's it and you're
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forced to go back out and get it after dark in front of everyone in front of everyone and too right too right you
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always make always make the dice shape like a bit like a poo as well could you you could just go really into it you could you could yeah yeah but anyway
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that's that's that would be quite good fun I say fun yeah F I think we had a strong start actually yeah stronger than
Cubitos Kart
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stronger than I imagined to be honest yeah this is a strong start I this sounds like quite a good little addition
37:44
to the game you didn't know how this episode was going to go did you no no you like this is the idea okay let's
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see what happens that is probably my only fun one though I'm not going to lie I'm enjoying myself that's the main thing yeah yeah sounds good so
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my one is kitos okay I like kitos kitos is fun it's fun for the family it's fun
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for everyone what's missing in Kito is player interaction what's missing is a Mario
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kartes vibe to kitos where you you're getting your your dice you're rolling
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them but this time you're blocking players cuz in kitos you share spaces
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boring you want to block players you want to fire missile at them you want to slow them down it's like a race that
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should have a bit more spice to it you know cuz sometimes you get a good little combo and you get lucky and you suddenly
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ran 10 spaces ahead now we want to just like you know blue shell them you blue
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shell them bring them to their knees and just have that whole kind of I would say
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negative player interaction although it probably might be depends kind of it works in this situation right it's a
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lighter game yeah but it's Mario Kart them banana skin yeah exactly that would be a nice one for the kids when banana
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skin what would work is when you hit a space you have the little dice that you roll that have like a weapon on it like
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Mario kartz you roll the dice and then it gives you that little weapon that you can use that's quite cool and you've got
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that and that's what you've got and you're like well I'm saving that when they're going up that straight and like you're going to have that later no so do
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you hang back do you go forward I think it cuz in kitos you just go in heal for
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Lever as best as you can with what you can roll right so it can just feel sometimes you can just look out and I
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think that might help some of the players at the back and maybe just like Mario Kart if you at the back you get the strong stuff right you get the real
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nasty weapons so maybe it's a different die you know if you're in the back position you get that D if you're the
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front you get the nnf yeah what kind of works that way right and you could give them negative dice with as a shot maybe
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sometimes you could use it so you could give them a die which when they roll themselves could nothing could happen
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but it could also have a negative thing on it yeah yeah so yeah and I when the expansion came out which is called Foul
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Play I thought that's what they were doing and then when I kind of read the design Diaries on it and I looked at it
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I was like there a little disappointment yeah about it but cuz Foul Play sounds
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like it's going to be a bit knobby yeah a bit aggressive yeah and I think that's the kind of game that could weather it
40:18
really well and actually make just that it's that Thunder Road Vendetta feeling
40:23
which is we're all going to be getting screwed here but it's a bit of a laugh don't take it seriously yeah it's that
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kind of game anyway you go in and you already know that it's going to be you're rolling dice as a race of course
40:35
it's going to be a bit you know hit and miss it's just a bit too nice I think as a game it's bit too but I get why it is
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but I just want to make it like like heavy metal version just
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it but there we go that's mine yeah citran sax furiosa right
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furiosa cool that's our citran saxo all driven off
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they've all made it off of the ramp and it looks like they're all driving off into the distance into the sunset so we
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haven't we haven't had any broken down from our point of view anyway as as soon as they're over the hill who knows they
Brass To Ride
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might be uh blowing up and out of sight out of mind not going any further yeah I think they were already better than we
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kind of thought they were going to be so we're going to move on to our midweight so it's going to be the BM W M
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series is what I've called it so for our midweight Games Shall I start yeah do it
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shall I shall I unveil our pull pull the the cloth off off of my car and I'm
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showing you it's brass burum with a little bit of ticket to ride in it m oh
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so you know you have to play the cards to get your areas so now you're actually going to have to collect sets to to to
41:50
get your things down in the same time right so you're going to have to be taking cards from each other and get
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collecting sets that you see as an extra action to also then build on your road so it's going to add a little bit of
42:03
knobbery in there as well just what it needs but yeah beer is the knobbery beer
42:08
stealing beer off players is the yeah it's got even more player interaction so the game's going to be a little bit longer because it's obviously you're
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going to have to build sets now so it's probably going to add like another two hours to the game yeah but I think it
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could work right I think it could that whole set collection it's going to add a little bit more player interaction um it
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kind of it works in the Train theme because you're doing the set collection with
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with the tickets ride you're going to have to add more cards in bigger hands you're going to maybe have to play so that you kind of know what cards some
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other people will have or when they're drawing them it's like face UPS you can see kind of have some information of
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what other people have got but maybe it could work this one's I don't know it probably looks shiny on
42:51
the outside but it's probably not going to go any further than two feet as soon as it drives off but uh yeah that's my
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that's my midwe kind of Frankenstein's monster the them theme
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matches I like it yeah it thematically yeah ticket to Birmingham we'll call it
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right ticket toing ticket to Birmingham to Birmingham or bad bad accents or
Dune Imperium of Thrones
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brass to ride but I don't know if that sounds a bit I like it take the B and the r off
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and it's a little bit risky isn't it I think it's fine yeah yeah there we go
43:31
so who wants to go next with their unveil their fine motor I can go next
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I'm quite happy to go next this is the one I'm feeling strongly about so pressure no so there's a game
43:46
that I I should love it I I should love everything about this game but for some reason it just doesn't click and that's
43:51
June Imperium I I love June I you know I've listen to the book BS i' I'm thoroughly
43:59
into the world I think it's fantastic you know it's right up there one my favorite Sci-Fi movies of all time but
44:04
for some reason June Imperium just it just doesn't click with me so I'm
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thinking the world of June is about you know it's about these houses it's about
44:15
these rulers it's about you know how they this very
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political Game of Thrones m a June version of Game of Thrones I think would
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you know like the almost like a combative deck building game would be I
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think it'd be fantastic I think it'd be really really good and more more what I'd be looking for from that genre just
44:38
because it's it's a you know it's a space operate it's a it's Game of Thrones in space they go they kind of go
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together so very well keep the deck building keep the area control and the combat aside get rid of the work of
44:50
placement yes and then just have a have a map have a map the token turning is it just you like you doing Game of Thrones
44:57
is it yeah yeah so that whole token them yeah but have more of a deck building element that can kind of allow you to do
45:03
a bit more than than just kind of flip tokens um that' be my that would be my idea yeah I'd play that I don't know why
45:10
there aren't more June games because a few there's a few because you got war of
45:16
arus or War for racus which is like Year War for the ring 1 V one 2v2 but that's
45:23
more like zoomed in not Skirmish but it's like zoomed in dudes fighting kind of vibe um you've
45:31
got the original June Dune which I enjoyed but it's old sorry and it's it's got
45:40
some like old mechanics in yeah like with the the the people joining up and
45:45
like people went full meta with that game and there's like stats on who wins
45:50
best with other factions etc etc which ruins the game in my eyes but yeah so a
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few out there but I like where you're going with it Rob think you're right I like June Imperium I don't love it but I
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should love it because it's it's right up my street but yeah so that element of
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you know because there's a lot of backstabbing in that Universe there's a lot of power plays there's a lot of um
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you know rulers just trying to one up themselves there's a lot of grudges um so I think yeah that kind of um Game of
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Thrones mechanic where you are trying to you know progress your you know your
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position by getting other people to you know lose and and kind of fail I think it would suit it really well it could be
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played like over a long period of time so that you've got different houses
46:39
being in control of June um and the spice refineries and all of that stuff and then the other house is trying to
46:45
buy for control which is pretty much what they've been doing isn't it you got the Harkens originally there and the
46:51
trades come in and D so you could kind of just have that so it's not like it
46:56
it's played over a a 6month period it's like 100 years 200 years so you're kind
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of simulating that over time you could do it for planets as the you could have
47:08
your own planets of your house and put June in the middle as the big desert planet and then you can send ships and
47:14
then but then you could also try and take other people's planets as well cuz I quite like the economy though in in
47:20
June because it's and this probably goes back to the original um board game isn't it so there's like a nice you know like
47:27
spice must flow cuz someone needs to run those refineries cuz you know everything stops you can't do space travel if you
47:34
don't Harvest that spice and and I think there's something kind of cool in that someone's got to run it you you'd all
47:40
have to work together but grudgingly and and but you want to be the one that's doing it to the point where then you can
47:47
take over be a timing mechanic so that could be like the barrels and Game of Thrones right that could be a spice as
47:53
to how big your Fleet is or how how how you tra how far you travel is that Supply yeah which can change and rather
48:01
than have like the um the white the war with the um White Walkers um like what
48:08
do they call the wildings the wildlings influencing everything you could maybe have it so that the fman aren't actually
48:14
playable because they're already on June but they're the people that they're the events that come out cuz they they
Caverna with drafted worker placement tiles
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destroy sabotaging and pushing that forward instead I'm down yeah sounds
48:25
cool sounds good yeah I like that I think it's got further than my
48:30
car wow yeah yeah so moving on who wants to
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reveal theirs next okay I'll have a go as we've been talking this is not what I've written down I'm just going to wing it now oh he's gone off script script
48:44
hav thought about so what if we did like a game like Cava work of placement but we have a Twilight appium tile placement
48:50
mechanic at the beginning so you're kind of building your own worker placement board so you probably have to do it as
48:55
game design have your own a b c and d between the players those are the tiles you choose from you only choose like four out of the seven tiles so you kind
49:02
of just you don't know what people put one tile of worker placement down for a spot where your workers can go to get
49:08
the resources and then just build it off that and then like confir at the end you you have hidden ones at the end you put
49:14
one hidden down at the end you don't know what's going to be well you know the one you're turning that's going to turn up you don't know what the other people's are going to turn up so it's kind of building on the only mechanic I
49:21
like from um Lords Lords of Water Deep which is the shops that come out right
49:26
yeah exactly yeah yeah so you could have you mix that with the ca style but you'll be making your Tableau but it's
49:32
for everyone to use right yeah exactly so everyone see you just build your own kind of game board I know probably possible to balance maybe but I don't
49:38
know yeah we don't have to worry about that yeah we don't have to worry about that right yeah and then maybe everyone like cerno doesn't have have an as
49:46
asymmetric ability which could boost cool things so I think Lord are actually missing that or an cavera you could do
49:53
that so this is where this kind of episode is like Pimp My Riders cuz the
49:59
these games don't need to get any further than the show like the cars they don't need to get any further than the
50:05
show they don't actually have to drive out on the road we're fine right once the episode's over it's we're done yeah
50:11
yeah but um it sounds cool yeah I like the idea CU cuz you're right like cavera
50:18
has that um it's like variable worker placement spots that come out but they are sequenced in
50:24
stages aren't they so you got like you know that the first era you've got those I think it's four cards or whatever and
50:31
you know what they are you just don't know the order they come out so what you're saying is scrap that but this
50:37
time you're seeding it more yourself yes to what you need for your strategy based
50:43
on what you're selecting so you're not having full control but you this is what you've got okay we'll put that in there
50:48
and it could just be manic as well cuz you don't whe people are placing could be this completely broken broken uh W
50:55
work of placement might be interesting though you could do it where so you at the start it as the first round maybe
51:01
you pick up two pick one put it down next person player does that that's your board you then do your worker placement
51:07
stuff and then round two you draw another two maybe level two ones and you put those down and then that board's
51:13
completely different again and then you work off it in that way weirdly this is reminding me of a game I've I've
51:18
pre-ordered which is uh an 18 XX game which is um it's not actually a train
51:24
one which most 18xx games are it's the the what is it called stock market one wasn't it yeah it's on the shoulder of
51:31
big Giants or something like that Chicago and that has the similar thing is that you put tiles out and you're
51:37
picking tiles for work placement spots for people to use which I thought was quite cool it's the same sort of thing
51:42
right it's the I'm choosing what goes in there that might be good for me it's probably going to be good for other
51:48
people but hopefully it's just the good you know the best for me so yeah I like that yeah yeah I like that that's cool
51:54
and then you can combine it with you got your own little to do things but that's then the player board for everyone for
Evolution of Dracula & His Beasts
52:00
that's your yeah sounds interesting I like him like it there we go k T's put a
52:07
massive engine in his and it shoots off but it can't turn a corner it's a
52:13
bit money what you going go like a drst um so I'm going to pick on Fury of
52:20
Dracula for this right so Fury of Dracula is a game that I tend to to look
52:26
forward to playing and I get down to it and yeah thematic get the music on do this do that and then 5 hours
52:36
later you're like is this over yet like and and sometimes when you're the
52:43
hunter it can be a bit you do one thing and then you wait yeah you end up going
52:48
I'm in Budapest whatever and dra appears in Ireland and you're like I'm So Far Away what do I do I move and I sleep and
52:56
then I move and I sleep and all that kind of stuff so I like the idea of Fury of Dracula and I think when you're
53:01
Dracula it's great like cuz you're like it's tense and you're hiding oh don't find me but as Hunters I find it a bit
53:09
lackluster um so my whole mechanic switch in this is the hunters can be converted they can
53:18
be turned into vampires and so starting off um where
53:24
you've got all the the hunters there that maybe we we not rethe it but we reset the story a little bit so they're
53:31
not these Hunters that you know can quickly get armed to the teeth and become very very powerful quickly which
53:37
is what happens in the game is maybe a bit of a slower burn to get them leveled
53:42
up um and also helping to encourage you know people to stick a bit together to
53:48
to help but yeah maybe if you can kind of get a hunter on their own you can turn them to your side and actually get
53:54
them into a vampire and then their board flips over and they've got little vampiric uh abilities that help and
54:00
obviously there's a balance issue here which is if you get too many maybe it's impossible um so it might be that well
54:07
if you convert two Hunters you win right yeah you could do it as a as a Dracula wins yeah like a win mechanic or you
54:13
kind of make like the hunters get more Resolve maybe like they just get more
54:19
more faith or something that they can kind of buff up so it levels the playing field to me then it kind of gives
54:26
there's there's a bit of a threat on a hunter because I always find the hunters will usually win most of the time in Fury Dracula in my experience that's
54:33
probably because maybe none of us are that great at Dracula I'm including me cuz I'm awful at it I always get killed
54:39
in Ireland always I don't know why I go there but I end up in irand and I get State um but this way something can
54:47
happen mid game late game it can happen any time and it's like okay I'm turn now
54:53
and off we go and it just adds that little like Dicker element as well and
54:59
why not why not sounds good yeah I that's make quite hard to turn vampire when you that's to make what hard for
55:04
Dra oh yeah it could be like I'll turn up go you yeah would be like one little fight make something in there make it
55:10
hard yeah be some way of doing it that's um that dra would have to to three times
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or something yeah I don't know maybe adding little encampments that draca has around the map that the hunters can
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interact with and fight as well that then give them some kind of buff or give them something to do at
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least so that if dra is fighting someone on the other side you can be going over here and getting items or doing
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something else you know I think yeah you could do like a beast thing you could make sure dra has minions but I know he does kind of have minions in the car
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hidden but he does yeah but you could spawn more on the map maybe and so the hunters got more to do as well do
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fighting them bit more fun but I do like the sound of converting someone as well
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that does sound cool that person they're not out of the game no they can still win with the other person right so it's
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uh yeah cuz I always find in that game Dracula has a great story to tell and
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maybe one or two Hunters have a great to story to tell and then the others are like I just kind of tagged along that's
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usually what I feel like and I've been on both sides of that I've had a great great games of of dra and I've had games
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where I've gone that was four hours of me just roaming Europe not doing a lot riding trains back and forth and I just
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think actually really it's great if you like trains yeah but you know it's just like there's something extra that needed
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both games I played on Dracula was like that and that's why I don't know that's why never I've never signed up for it again because like both games I played
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the I think you were draa and then cury was draa and both times it was the fight
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was happening the other side of where I was and I was just like yeah last time I played I play with was Dracula I I'm the
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only one was fighting him and it was good fun for me the other guys were just kind of watching and just like yeah I think I fought about three times need
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everyone need to be engaged in that game because it is a long game and it's not a problem that it's long but the problem
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is if it's not you're not as engaging the story or not engaging the game it's
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just like which for me I think Beast is the better hiden movement game because of that because it involves everyone
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Hunter wise we had this similar conversation about a video game that came out a long time ago about the the
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hunters oh evolve evolve I love evolve so at the beginning of the game The
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Hunters are really strong but the Beast is really really weak and they evolve over that time we we were talking about
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this at the Devon b game weekend ironically that if you had NPCs the only way you can get stronger is either to
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hunt NPC vampires or hunt people yeah to level up regardless of where you are on
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the map it g keeps people engaged and it's a way of kind of scaling at a
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similar place so maybe something like that where you are a vampire hunter you just haven't come acoss Dracula yet you
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know you're still hunting you're still powering up that way and if you're Dracula you're like just niping round
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yeah you know feeding I'm in prag I'm just going to have a little feed yeah and I'm going to you know yeah and you you go certain places to level up
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certain things something like that I think that would be by doing that you then reveal kind of where director is
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but he's got stronger from doing it and this that's what Beast does with the little things around the map that you have to feed on and then but you show
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yourself when you when you do it cuz you're attacking and tactically is like I don't mind showing myself cuz I know
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you're not that close damn it he's in Prague and he's leveled up what a pain you know so yeah
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I think it just keeps that there's something to do there's something going on so so you know you might have one
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encounter with Dracula but youve fought so many minions and you've done so many other hunts that you're you know it's
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more balanced yeah definely it's really good you know that one encounter is an epic encounter whereas you know you're
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just not getting smashed show down yeah Dracula the feast um the Feast of
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Dracula the Feast of Dracula yes there we go so cool it sounds good yeah some
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uh I think that one shoots off the the lot as well and uh mine only got a
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couple of feet [Music]
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a so and we're going to finish off with the high-end sports cars which uh or
Time travelling hydro-dams
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well a lot of them for show but uh Lamborghinis so for this one which is
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our heavy games I've kind of gone for a a very strange mix but I think it could
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work so with barrage when you play barrage I I love it it's very mean but
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sometimes someone can screw you over and with something you've been leading up to this turn it's just it's in the dirt now
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you can't do it right so if we mix it with an Acron fractures of time so that
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you can rewind certain things that happened so now we've got sci-fi dams um
1:00:03
where you've missed the waterfall oh I'm going to rewind time and maybe move this Dam over here or I'm going to catch I'm
1:00:10
going to make it say water F fell over here instead and we could put a little
1:00:15
little you know there's going to be repercussions from you doing this messing with time of course but suddenly
1:00:21
it doesn't feel so bad when these actions happen and we obviously we need balancing it will need
1:00:29
the kind of like a corruption well not corruption but um well fractures
1:00:34
mechanic right so that if you keep messing with time you're going to get screwed all your dams are going to burst
1:00:39
and you're going to be left on the floor naked and crying um which let's face it
1:00:44
if you lose it brage you feel like that's anyway y um but yeah I think it'll be an
1:00:51
interesting mix it will negate the downside of barrage that most people don't like about it is it's not really a
1:00:58
catch-up mechanic because it'll be more of you've actively planned to do something it's still got that Euro theme
1:01:05
and that's what fractures kind of does quite well I think is you teleport about it gives you Extra
1:01:11
Spaces to go on to it opens up the game a lot more yeah which maybe barage
1:01:17
doesn't need because it's so tight and that's what makes it good but also it might open up the game to other people
1:01:23
who don't like the game because it is so tight so that will get to the table a lot more so I would say instead of like
1:01:31
time you could say it's like they've invented portal technology which allows
1:01:36
you to kind of manipulate water flow in through unnatural ways I just basically
1:01:43
get the two portal gun then comes to where you need it you say there's a penalty you did all the
1:01:50
time it wouldn't matter where you build your dams would it but no exactly there's got to be a risk reward or or
1:01:56
there's got to be something so if you do it too much you know but at least it gets you out of a bind for that
1:02:02
particular moment or in least produce enough energy to fulfill your contract that you would literally plan to do and
1:02:07
then someone's just knobbed you yeah cuz you sometimes spent all game building up this real cool ecosystem of where your
1:02:14
dam is everything is water someone just went one Dam there you're like oh I didn't see that yeah oh no my whole
1:02:20
game's falling apart whereas at least now you could be like oh no I'm going to quickly revert and drop some water down
1:02:28
over here or like yeah have something that basically can reverse time or yeah
1:02:38
negate the the negatives of that game so yeah that's my uh that's my out comes my
1:02:44
monster truck of with like little waterfalls coming from the back um with little water features which are somehow
1:02:51
running upwards hey whatever it's your it's your Chop
1:02:57
Shop mate there go there you go it's driving around with a hot tub on the
1:03:02
back right nice all the ladies in their
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playing barrage that's my one Westward comment yeah nice nice yeah right how about you
1:03:17
Tambo um okay so my heaviest game I know some people don't think it's that heavy
1:03:23
but I'm going to go terraforming Mars okay so we're going to put that in the table and then we're going to take out the production phase oh and then we're
1:03:30
going to throw in is it what's the card game version the Terry terraform Aries
1:03:35
I editions right so their card mechanic where you flip them and you tell them
1:03:41
you going to do the production everyone chooses there what they're going to do I I see yeah and we're going to put that into terraform M okay so it could be get
1:03:49
a little bit spicy I think yeah yeah yeah so take out the production and then we put that in we'll have to put a colon
1:03:55
these one in as well cuz you want to move your colonies right mhm but yeah I reckon that could be quite a make it
1:04:01
quite Speedy maybe um well I think it might end up taking longer if you had
1:04:07
the whole game right all those cards of those then choosing actions to play then yeah that's right cuz we you play you CH
1:04:14
that's fine you either play a blue card you play or you play a green card or you do production phase or I can't the other
1:04:20
trying to Fig the last one the science science move yeah and then gu you to do all the plant trees and you spend all
1:04:27
your plants and stuff I believe something it's been a while since I played it yeah you've got the the green
1:04:32
which is your production mhm um you've got uh red and blue I think which is your like science stuff along with in
1:04:40
event um that's events yes as well yeah yeah yeah and then one which does
1:04:46
production which is another card and God one that I can't even remember the others yeah the want yeah it's good I'm
1:04:54
really I'm really enjoy it but it's this doesn't put it into the bigger game see how it works just just do it so I'll get
1:05:00
my car and just throw it in and see if it works and then maybe even I know there's a lot of points lots of points in ter
1:05:06
but maybe just have like your own personal objective card for your thing so you got bonus points at the end so
1:05:11
when someone's running away of it you go Lashley I got this 20 VB my personal objective I wonder if you could throw it
1:05:17
in there as a laugh and just see if it works anyway like yeah that's what I'm saying yeah just throw throw the cards in and see if it actually works take out
1:05:22
the production phase just take it out see the way production if someone puts it down on the table Yeah that would gave take forever
1:05:31
wouldn't it we're on generation 75 it would it take forever someone might smash out production really fast you
1:05:36
might get a good Eng get busted combo and then quickly pushed it all down well the thing is that the game's relying
1:05:42
upon you in its current form of course that You' prod produce every generation
1:05:48
isn't it cuz that's just what you do so all of the costs of the cards and everything has probably been factored in
1:05:54
to to the fact you're going to get a generation of income yeah you still do yeah you still do your your drafting
1:05:59
phase as well so you still have to buy your cards this is like hardcore mode yeah
1:06:05
yeah just what I thought yeah oh know's try fair enough let's try it that's what I can come up with tambo's pulled his
1:06:11
car out and it's got no wheels I just it just fell a pieces it
1:06:17
just did not work but if it did work it would be awesome yeah yeah yeah I it' be interesting I definitely I want to give
1:06:24
it a go it's a concept car yeah yeah con it's the it's the Cyber truck oh no
1:06:32
wait that got built for some strange reason so I've I've been undecided on
1:06:38
this and because what I call heavy game a lot of you don't okay but there's a
1:06:44
game but there's a game not we of it yes but well I went physical weight I
1:06:51
I I thought if I can't go complexity weight I'm going physical weight right right and there's one mechanic that
1:06:57
really annoys me in this game to the point where it makes no sense and that would be frost Haven okay okay why would
1:07:05
you use your axe once in a turn it's an axe it's designed to be used over and over again that's kind of
1:07:12
the point right so yeah the fact that you lost cards that you could only you could only use a card once you could
1:07:17
only use an ability once I I didn't like that's the only thing I love the storytelling the I
1:07:24
didn't like setting up and packing it away no one does no no no one does no one does but I'm thinking if if I could
1:07:30
make one change to that game it would be add the deck building mechanic of The
1:07:35
Witcher make the enemies harder but the deck building capability better where
1:07:42
colors go into colors where chaining chain where you chain attacks um so that you know I don't I
1:07:50
don't really want to lose cards but at the same time it's about you know can I
1:07:56
I this isn't a great card but if I pair it with this card they become quite strong and that mechanic of of kind of
1:08:02
building your attacks up so as you level up being able to do more and more with
1:08:07
your weapons with your character and maybe Chuck in some D and D elements of character building you
1:08:14
know with that that kind of leveling up and having multiple options as to how you want to take so less characters but
1:08:21
more options with those characters and the deck building element of which of The Witcher mhm oh that'd be incredible
1:08:28
you know what you could do you could throw and mix it put descent into Frost Haven and do that with the app does all
1:08:35
the hard work for you yeah which is what the app was supposed to do but never really do do descent app so you got your
1:08:41
character and you got the whole butt and you build a map where it tells you and then you still have your card combo but not the um the energy changing we do in
1:08:47
descent isn't it I can't what the name of it is the the the energy the exhaustion the exha yeah instead of doing that you have your card mechanics
1:08:54
and it's all the whole story of Frost yeah cuz I think I should love Frost Haven I should absolutely love that game
1:08:59
but the the losing of cards drives me a bit mad like I've used an ax twice it's an axe it's designed to be used timer
1:09:06
yeah which I get part of the complexity of the game but it just annoys me turns
1:09:11
the game into a puzzle yes which is how do I efficiently get through this dungeon time turn into a Euro right yeah
1:09:18
yeah so so for me if it's more you know the complexity and the hardness the
1:09:24
hardness the complexity and the [Music] difficulty you know is fun but some of
1:09:32
them just felt impossible and you know if if somebody wanted to go off and do something a
1:09:38
little bit different like somebody wanted to cross a room to get a chest it just felt like a betrayal just because
1:09:44
it was that tight whereas yeah I want to have a bit of fun with it as well and not just the fun that oh that was an
1:09:50
experience and we got through it so yeah for me you know like a kind of like a deck chaining element rather than a deck
1:09:57
building element I think for me would uh would would revolutionize that game in my eyes I get why people love it but
1:10:04
yeah so you go Rob's turn up in a truck a big long long
1:10:11
18wheeler there we go carrying your ass carrying carrying the car your car that
1:10:16
made it 5T that's fair there we go so last but
1:10:24
not least we JP suddenly whizzes around the corner in a Top Gear style way out
1:10:30
gets uh JP mclarson forget
1:10:35
me and um shows us his car I do so there's something missing in the
1:10:42
board game hobby space um and it's been tried to be filled by a number of games
1:10:51
so these games are dinosaur iseland Dino genic and I can't say tiny epic I've
1:10:59
never played it so I'm not going to say that that's um each one tries to do what
1:11:06
I think people want from a dinosaur park type game and doesn't quite get there in
1:11:12
my opinion it's my opinion don't worry so I'm thinking because they're not
1:11:18
heavy games by their own right but pull all the bits together and think think
1:11:24
back to PC gaming and theme park came out mhm if you remember theme
1:11:30
park where you're literally Paving the the paths right from the entrance you're putting in
1:11:37
Burger shops you're you're actually determining how much like salt you're
1:11:42
putting on your chip so that actually your your guests get thirsty and they want more drinks MH you're you're
1:11:48
checking the happiness of your guests you're you're getting dinosaurs in doing all that DNA spicy stuff or for that um
1:11:57
you need a farm you need a farm to keep the dinosaurs fed there's like a mini
1:12:02
farming element to the game so the whole economy that you're going to manage in your partk you get Revenue you you you
1:12:09
you've got cost so it's a business and it's like Lera level heaviness I don't know where this is going but I'm excited
1:12:16
and just fuse all of that together and you have a a dinosaur park Sim so it's
1:12:21
like Zoo Tycoon but with Dinosaurs and just those little bits that you can kind
1:12:27
of manipulate the crunch like oh this this is like oh this is really good and you
1:12:33
can obviously have all the bad [ __ ] that can happen this could actually work if you did it like arova cuz you can have your board here
1:12:40
your Park you could yes yes and then you could put would be like big things but you could always put sorry no no yeah
1:12:47
you right and I kind of thought instead of worker placement let's not bother with work scar a worker placement it's
1:12:54
gone it's a [ __ ] it's gone it's old school it's gone and we want I want proper like action selection um either
1:13:02
cards or multi-use purpose cards I want it all to be kind of driven I'm not saying use ARC NOA cuz that's just
1:13:08
basically saying Arc NOA with dinosaurs and I'm not saying that um but it just there's something missing in that space
1:13:15
and dinogenics does what it does and Dinosaur Island does what it does so
1:13:22
Dinosaur Island has a few like souvenir shops and things but it's very basic you
1:13:27
know people come in and grow I get a bit of money but yeah just I don't know just
1:13:32
missing it's missing something missing you do a phase where you your truck moves for all your parket and get your bonuses yeah yeah D didn't phase three
1:13:42
you could do it like Lorenzo selection of like you get that's how you get your cards and then you play them into your
1:13:47
park or have like some kind of dice selection instead so like a drafting mechanic that you then draft in and then
1:13:53
play your cards out a park and that could be all your different competing Parks trying to get the best dinosaur G
1:14:00
DNA genes right so you're all fighting against each other trying to get the best jeans splice them together or you
1:14:06
could also have cards that all have different abilities on that you splice together and then and then you play them
1:14:11
all at once and it all does a different thing yeah and that's your spliced dinosaur right yeah and then you could
1:14:18
have things go down and instead of tracking the actual physical oh that dinosaur's broken that fence I'm going
1:14:24
to have to that fence you're just watching like your your your stock market price plummet oh no we're 20%
1:14:32
down because some kid fell off a Stegosaurus oh no the T-Rex is literally go romping around your Park and going oh
1:14:39
my God cuz that's the thing in these games they've escaped and it's just this generic it's escaped it's bad you got
1:14:45
negative VPS I want to see the T-Rex leave its Paddock M and go oh my God
1:14:51
it's heading towards the the children's playground is that if it goes there we're in real trouble and it's like what
1:14:56
can you do and there could be a there could be a strategy to like strategically eat certain certain
1:15:04
customers at certain times of the year to drum up business because is it all
1:15:09
all um all publicity is good publicity right bad Pub well you could also have
1:15:15
it so that the other Parks have to do something about it otherwise no one's going to see your T-Rex in your Park cuz everyone's scared cuz they heard about a
1:15:21
T-Rex escaping someone else's Park so now the other parks have to try and help you to get rid of that T-Rex right CU
1:15:27
otherwise all their all of the no one wants to go see the T-Rex anymore yeah because they heard about the other Park
1:15:34
yeah your visitors are now got lower cuz they're like n dinosaur like parks are really dangerous places that dinosaur
1:15:40
like the Jaws effect when that came out on sharks like know all sharks are terrible sort of thing yeah yeah there
1:15:47
you go there you go heavy economic dinosaur park management Simulator the thir of level I'm down for
1:15:55
definitely JP's turned up in his uh million pound kit car that he's made himself in his in his
1:16:02
backyard the back panel's made of cardboard but the front is carbon fiber you know the iron here it's like this is
1:16:08
I've described probably Curley's ideal favorite game oh I said said the yeah and I'm out sorry
1:16:17
curly but it's really good so he's he's like really really Tor yeah so that's
1:16:23
been Dave's Chop Shop Hopey you guys have enjoyed seeing our display of fine
1:16:29
mechanics so moving now on to receive leave or sleeve where we ask you the
1:16:35
important questions well we ask each other the important questions [Music]
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right I'm going to do a little Dungeon Crawler special and one of them you put
1:16:54
guys probably haven't played but I still think I can get a good opinion from you guys so would you receive sleeve or
1:17:01
leave darkest dungeon Prime all the Awakening and the very last one Gloom
1:17:09
Haven going then Rob over to you I
1:17:14
would leave Gloom Haven yeah not because it's a bad game but we had our time with
1:17:20
it two years of playing that game and like I said if we if we Chang the mechanics of the card things a little
1:17:26
bit up that might that might change it for me but as it stands at the moment yeah Haven's going to be Rob Rob come
1:17:33
back call me I will I promise I will I would keep darkest dungeon nice
1:17:42
just because you've talked about it yeah I've s put to the table but yeah yeah you've talked about it and uh the video
1:17:50
game is is great very hard yeah yeah
1:17:55
very very difficult swing in it when suddenly your squad's amazing and everything's really easy but up until
1:18:01
that point it's hard yeah so I'd keep that and I would sleeve and I would
1:18:07
actually do this in real life which is a lot coming from me is Primal I would happily keep that game forever yeah yeah
1:18:15
I think it's absolutely phenomenal and I love it yeah I do love it okay I'm going to do exactly what Rob just said exactly
1:18:21
what I was going to say exactly same leave G Haven i' done that so it yeah
1:18:27
then I'd um receive Primal and then sleeve no no yours is different no no sorry no no I get
1:18:35
confused no I would I would sleeve Primal yeah and then receive dark dungeon okay there we go how about you
1:18:41
JP definitely leave Gloom Haven yeah cuz I already have mhm like history lesson
1:18:49
um the other two haven't played so it's kind of like do I want a boss batt yeah
1:18:55
or do I want a Rog light dungeon quality experience I would
1:19:01
say dare to be different I'll sleeve darkest dungeon yep even though I never
1:19:06
played it so that's always a risk but I'll receive the other on because either way I get to play them both yeah um
1:19:13
that's why you need the extra protection though right yeah yeah exactly always a risk you never know you never know and
1:19:19
whilst darkest dungeon is is probably more rarer I would say going to be like
1:19:25
gold dust like gold exactly so protect the hell out of that because who knows
1:19:30
um and I'll just yeah play Primal and see what it's all about and then I'll go damn I've made the wrong choice so good
1:19:37
I've never played it there's not lot of sleeve though Primal is there The Minis
1:19:42
there's your decks which you will fun through all the time um and your kind of
1:19:48
weapon cards which is a lot of but different sizes awkward
1:19:53
sleeves uh I will probably go with the majority here maybe it wasn't a great one but
1:20:00
it's kind of we've all all on the same page so I will
1:20:05
receive No in fact I'll receive yeah receive Primal because it's in fact I received
1:20:12
Primal just because I know how much it cost yeah that's a great gift yeah and that's a great gift and I sleeve darkest
1:20:19
dungeon and I'll buy darkest dungeon so I'll actually go with JP there you go yeah and Gloom Haven is uh in dust in
1:20:25
the corner bless it but for his time amazing game right amazing game he got a 2.0 edition coming up soon yeah cuz they
1:20:33
realized they cocked up with frost Haven because they put so much admin in the book yeah it's like do you want to do
1:20:38
some bookkeeping for an hour and then play the game not really but I guess we have to
1:20:45
[Music]
1:20:53
right we're going to talk about what we've got coming up and what we're looking forward to so I'm going to go
1:20:58
first with this one Pax illuminum has arrived so I'm looking forward to play on that I've read through the rules it's
1:21:05
how I remember it very puzzly slash 4xy for little car game that's down um area
1:21:13
control along with some knobby with kind of taking your area control off other
1:21:19
people uh I got the mat which is bigger which is massive
1:21:25
the game's tiny and I've got this big playmat which is huge and it's like did I did I need this but I'm sure it' be
1:21:31
good when I actually get it to the table it's already lays out all the cards they go it's got the old grid stuff and it's
1:21:39
got where all of the um uh not factions what are they called I forget what they
1:21:45
called them G of syndicates is it syndicates no I don't think it's syndicat I don't know um where all your
1:21:52
factions are and everything else so yeah looking forward to that one um I've also got a notification of uh deep regrets is
1:22:00
kind of they're starting to go through the factory and checking my address so when that arrives I'm really looking
1:22:06
forward to playing that and we've obviously got an episode where we spoke about both of them previously um we did
1:22:13
so if you want to listen to that go listen to that um and also as on a whim I'm going for three because why not uh
1:22:22
feudum is it feudum yeah Feud them I got I I bought feudum and even though people
1:22:27
said the rule like the original people said the rules were just awful but they enjoy the game whereas with 2.0
1:22:33
apparently they' sorted the rules out which still not actually seen but apparently they've sorted the rules out
1:22:39
but it's kind of the same game and the artwork on it some people hate but I really love this like Whimsical kind of
1:22:46
Adventure Time esque like high contrast colors world that they've put in so I've
1:22:54
got that game on the way as well so all my kickstarters will come at once really even though this is like two years ago I
1:23:00
probably ordered them it's usually what happens yeah so and it was all different times I think one I ordered a year ago
1:23:05
another one two years ago and oh and rth oh yeah rough's coming as well
1:23:11
yeah I didn't realize you backed that until a few months ago yeah I forgot
1:23:16
backed a load of these really good good fun yeah so that's going to be me I'm
1:23:21
going to be talking about those coming up nice how about yourself Tambo what what have you got coming up um nothing
1:23:27
too much I've got my terraform Mars on Sunday coming yeah with curly and
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everyone playing the pre T I think it is we got is is it six players happening no I think it's five is there five of us
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yeah still it's a healthy PL I my ter M fix I'm looking forward to that I haven't had one for ages so yeah there
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you go when he said fix I thought it meant your your new version of the game Let's do let's do
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it we're going to be there all day yeah uh that should be fun it's always good fun to to blast that out yeah PR 2 as
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well so I'm look forward to that yeah whe we'll see the cards I think's going to make it so we do see the cards nice
1:24:05
that' be cool cuz he did that with me when we first played it it works he can do it make sure you you get the the corporations will you would get one of
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the corporation well it's just a start isn't it so it's it doesn't affect the rest of the game right and we start with two of the cards each or something that
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yeah in your first cuz you played the other ones to death right so yeah yeah sounds good I'm looking forward to it oh
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classic it's like we're getting in one of the old like old classic cars is the
1:24:30
terraforming Mass so if it's Old Reliable good old Ford Escort to tell
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we're not really car people no at all I couldn't care or it's
1:24:42
a Morris Miner yeah it's a Buick yeah who knows that's Lotus Elise there we go
1:24:50
cool um i' I've been doing a lot of kind of
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you know YouTube watching for for kind of new stuff that's coming out and I've
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kind of picked up on a game that's done by um earthborn games who done
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earthborne Rangers if you're familiar with it uh and they've got a new game that's very very very similar spiritual
1:25:16
successor to Netrunner and it's called Hub world adelon idolon something like
1:25:21
that and he got got that kind of it's not asymmetric in the fact that you've
1:25:27
got a runner and a a Corp um but it's yeah it's a similar thing where
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you're interacting with the the opponent and you can kind of interact with their deck their hand and their discard pile
1:25:41
and you're trying to find agents and it's got that kind of hidden aspects in
1:25:46
the grid where you can have cards face down but it does work differently so it's not like it's just a clone and it
1:25:52
just looks interesting and it's made made me kind of look more into earthborne games as a publisher and I
1:26:01
played earthborne Rangers with Paul Grogan God we just kind of did a like a
1:26:07
random tutorial after a stream one night said you fancy playing this and had a spare hour or two said yeah why not and
1:26:14
I quite enjoyed it actually and it's just earthborne Rangers is this kind of whimsical futuristic nature kind of a
1:26:22
lcg vibe game it's got very much Arkham Horror um lcg Tendencies Lord of the
1:26:30
Rings kind of uh feeling but it's like a an adventure that you go on I keep
1:26:36
looking at this game i' I've pre-ordered it have you pre-ordered it I keep looking it because I fell down the Trap
1:26:42
of looking and when you look and you go oh let's look at a video and you look at another video and I've just encapsulated
1:26:48
by the artwork cuz the artwork in in both of these games done by the same uh
1:26:53
same person same same team it's just fantastic it's got like an anime style
1:26:58
artwork to it kind of like minimalist and some aspect right don't know just something about it and I'm like oh you
1:27:04
know what I had a good time playing that and this is a game where at the start of the game in earthball Rangers you you
1:27:11
you deliver biscuits it's really weird it's like you've got to go and deliver biscuits to this town over there and
1:27:16
you're like okay I'm off to deliver biscuits it's like future armor meets Arkham Horror and off you go and it's
1:27:24
got a big map and uh you know you can travel around and it's open world it's like a Sandbox but in a card game format
1:27:31
um so wherever you kind of travel A to B you can travel across a Terrain and it's like Woods or swamp or whatever and then
1:27:38
you you're kind of battling against obstacles which might be you know uh a Thicket or it might be some predators or
1:27:45
whatever and you're trying to do these little missions it just SS cool and I remember playing it thinking this is
1:27:50
quite impressive for what it is and what it's doing so I thought s it I I'll give it a even if I play it solo I'll be
1:27:55
happy just wandering around nature well sign me up I keep looking at it I very nearly bought it and pre-ordered it the
1:28:01
other day cuz I it looks at my street and I was like oh I wouldn't mind I just need something that scratches at itch
1:28:08
cuz I really enjoyed the Arkham card series but I didn't play enough of it I
1:28:14
think this kind of it's got that Whimsical side of it as well right yeah just like it's not it's not like super
1:28:20
serious threat like you're going to die you know know you're delivering biscuits and uh and you might have to go find
1:28:27
someone to get a fishing pole or whatever so it feels quite cozy as well in in that aspect but again I don't know
1:28:33
where the story goes I don't know what happens but it awesome it's cool thought why not give this a go and I like you
1:28:41
Dave I just fancied that card game kind of [ __ ] reminds me of the world um from
1:28:48
the other Co we played um myth went yeah yeah it's that kind of world whereas
1:28:55
whimsically F fantasy low stakes yeah low stakes really low stakes you kind of
1:29:02
dig that sometimes to yeah that's be there we go how about you Rob so for me
1:29:08
uh more Elder Scrolls as as much as I can consume
1:29:14
rather than one punch man you're one game man I think I think I'm going to be um but we have got an event coming
1:29:21
up have we with Ninja GE games oh we do and we are going to three of us are
1:29:27
going to be playing uh aliens the game over man yeah oh yeah course just
1:29:33
another day in the core yeah and we played it wrong with Chris and I enjoyed
1:29:39
the hell out of it because it was so thematic so this is going to be a bit nuts so we're doing a one-off yeah I
1:29:46
think with the talks of potentially doing a campaign so should be good fun
1:29:52
yeah very much looking forward to it yeah the beauty of that is you can kind of drop in drop out it does really
1:29:57
matter it's like we've all seen aliens we all know what happens yeah yeah so it's kind of like you know what we're
1:30:03
playing this scenario okay cool we're going to save n we'll save n we want to take the queen down we'll take the queen
1:30:09
down all I'm saying is I want to be Hudson Hudson is my my jam because I just want to be like the guy who's like
1:30:14
moaning all the time I just want to be aone and telling you just shut up like 4 hours get over
1:30:21
here get over like it's just the most quotable film everywhere of all time I
1:30:27
love it so just to relive it in board game and the fact that Mark's painted everything forgot about that yeah he's
1:30:33
got it all painted I did sign up and then realize it's on the same date I'm meeting up with some old school friends
1:30:39
so I had to quickly unsign off it's the quickest sign up sign out yeah it was like sign up and I was like a no alien
1:30:46
for me we're let you know it goes man but it's it it should be a lot of fun
1:30:52
yeah that's cool so there we go funny enough we've all got some board games lined up right yeah plenty yeah so
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that's been uh my first first player run for a while yeah um I hope you guys have
1:31:08
enjoyed it something a bit different I've got another one coming up I've got another two coming up so if you want to
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1:31:21
the help um I mean our kids it's got better because of it because of you guys we can do this without you guys if you
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