TURN 1 - Player Count
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welcome to the whose's turn is it Anyway a podcast all about our gaming group and of course board games I am your first
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player Dan and I joined by Curley Hello darling Tambo hello and J P Hello
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darling hello and before we get to the Crux of it um how are we all doing
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pretty good pretty good tip top baby Tip Top yeah lovely jubly lovely
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lovelyy love it I have to say we got just say very quickly that we we I say
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we me and Curley have just come back from matcon mattcon maton matcon I think it
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was matcon 4 mattcon 4 so basically yeah Matt Con is Matt's birthday Matt's one
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of our listeners and supporters of the show and uh his birthday every birthday he does a like a mini convention and hes
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out a hall and people come and play games so he invited us down this year didn't he yeah and we went and we had a
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good time yeah really good time yeah yeah really nice to meet his kind of gaming group and yeah really nice guys
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had played a good couple of games and um yeah had a nice day I just wanted to say
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thank you for inviting us down cuz we had a blast yeah definitely yeah a it was great that's nice is it a is it a
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should we should we do it let's do it why not let's do
TURN 2 - Let's Talk About Hex
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it so let's talk about hex what for what have we been up to in the old world of
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board gaming t let's start with you oh nice thanks what are you doing I've been
Tambo - Tiny Epic Dinosaurs Solo & Unfathomable
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playing lots of games but all the old games I've played before so I want to give a quick shout out to Tiny epic
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dinosaur I know I talked about it a lot um but I played the solo mode for the first time the other day um and it was
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Bloody OD I'm not going to lie but I still enjoyed it um I'll give you a quick description of it it's a worker
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placement game I've talked about it before but um the AI itself is um card
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base basically you draw cards and you do the actions on the card basically and then so if you imagine the dinosaur board it's got like four cards with a b
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c and d on it and if if the the AI always starts first so if you flip a
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card on the top part it it says a and if there's no workers put down on that spot it just goes underneath the card and the
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first action it will do is just cover all the spots so I can't place any other workers on there unless I use two workers so so that makes it difficult
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straight up so um and then it was just pumping out and if he doesn't do that you do the bottom action on the card and
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they just pumping out contracts in the first turn so it's like I don't get to pump out contracts at least like third
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third round in maybe I'm not that efficient so I found it really hard that was good fun so I'm going to mention a
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couple of games that was that and I played unable nice been well yeah with the family that was always a good um fun
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backstabbing game it was the G um it was my niece in the end which but she didn't reveal but we lost anyway yeah um which
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I didn't know we could lose but we couldn't put any more Miniatures on the board so that means it was game over so we weren't dealing with all the
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creatures that hopping on the ship yeah and um yeah it kind of killed us we're doing really well for all the resources and the fuel and stuff and we had we
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were literally one off the getting to the 12th right point on the card B then was it yeah and then we just realized I
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didn't realize it was an end game thing you can put your mini on the board yeah overwhelmed I'm going to have to I'll get in a game of that soon cuz the
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expansions turned up yeah I'm not sure what that I can't yeah I I don't really know I probably had more minis so that
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it doesn't end yeah maybe but yeah that's it's always a fun game for us yeah it's good fun apart
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from that that's it really going to get too much details nice nice yeah nice juls what about you yeah I've been
JP - Elder Scrolls: Betrayal of the Second Era
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playing quite a lot of new things lately obviously coming out of Essen so it's just been new new new new new but I
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don't know what's what's what's Essen is it it's a it's a place in Germany I have no idea yeah I don't know about it it's
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cuz you keep saying no and you don't come they really that's the reason why you don't know what it is a straight
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straight for the jugular because he's really busy knows bu doing really busy I
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can't do it I'm not allowed um so no I I'm going to talk about a game I played
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on gaming rules um fairly recently and I'll I'll link the the actual stream in the show notes so you can actually watch
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it it is 5 hours long though so bear in mind it's is five hours so the game I'm talking about is Elder squirrel's
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betrayal of the second era by chip Theory games so this has been one that
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I've been so on the fence of oh should I have backed this should have not back this and then Rob B bless his heart said
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I'll back it and save me nearly 400 quid
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so that's uh that's pretty good so for those that don't know what it is it's Elder Scrolls IP so if you've played
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Oblivion you played Skyrim or any of the other Elder Scrolls stuff you already know what I'm talking about it's you
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know dragons and stuff walk out of a doorway and a cow is all of a sudden in the sky yeah yeah because of the bugs
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and just horses kind of riding up and down Cliffs and then appearing anywhere that they godamn like nice all of the
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bugs are there it's all good nice um but no it's their kind of uh to mini bone system 2.0 is kind of what they've
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badged it as and then they wrapped it around this uh IP um but no it's uh we
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play one session so this game is broken down into three sessions it's a campaign game but really it's not a full-blown 50
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Mission campaign Style game you just play three sessions and you're done which already actually for me is like
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well that's quite attractive means you're actually going to get to the end of it you know rather than I'll start something and never get there but you
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build your character from scratch so you're going to pick a class which could be I think I played as the uh kajit so
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they're like the cat people um but you can be like the is it the Breton or
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breiton they're humans basically yeah they're all different the elves wood elves Dark Elves and you know you name
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it there's millions of them in there so you pick your class and you get an ability and that gives you your base stats and then you'll start with uh a
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skill so it could be like one-handed Shield the two-handed destruction magic dra magic and depends on what kind of uh
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alignment you want to go down whe you want to go down the warrior kind of classes the magika classes or the um uh
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the kind of thiefy shadowy stuff and yeah you can kind of start with that but
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what makes this game quite customizable is your kind of player map is is the
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kind of central Hub of what's going on so your health your stamina your Magicka stats all kind of represent by these
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little circles that slot in either left or right hand side of your board and you have four rows and and you have really
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have to make a conscious decision of where you're putting these skills as well because if you put one in the opposite uh end of another stat on the
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same row you're going to be in contention for how much you level it up because if you imagine there's six diece
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slots in between each of the ends of the circles if you push your health up let's say four of those slots you've only got
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two slots left for the one that's on the right so you've really got to think about actually is this a a stat maybe I
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don't care about I I'm a I'm a tanky kindy and a guy who likes to hit things with swords my magic St I'm probably not
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going to level up so I'll just throw that in the in the place that I don't care about actually if there's certain skills you do care you want to give them
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room to grow so that's quite a nice little little puzzle even just as you start the game but also something you
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you kind of do as you level up um but generally you you kind of set your character up and off and eventually you
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go and and you you can start him one of the six uh regions of uh Elder squirrels
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you got cidel you got the black Marsh you've got Skyrim and there others in there as well and you pick a guild that
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you align to like um the Dark Brotherhood or um undaunted or or
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whatever and and then you get the big book based on the region you're at and it's like a Choose Your Own Adventure so
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you go right start here off you go sets the scene and then you've kind of got um the Region's got its own map so wearing
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too many bones you're drawing cards for your day Encounters this has got a regional map where you're moving around
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traversing it into different towns or different conflict areas or or whatever
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and depending on where you go will depend on obviously what um encounters you you'll pick up so if you go to a
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town you'll open the book up and you go right I can go shopping I can train new skills I can get new items or get some
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side quests on the go or I can go to a a conflict space where I'll have a clash
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and it comes with um plenty of neoprene hex maps that you can throw on the on
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the table and then you kind of do battle typically like chip Theory style which is lots of uh chips with health chips
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underneath and keywords Galore smash smash smash do lots of cool stuff and uh
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and then you kind of have 12 days to fulfill your objective now the one we played we had a what's called a a delve
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at the end and these can happen uh anytime during the game and a delve is like a procedural based dungeon so
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rather than having it all laid out there you just have the one uh kind of hex tile group that you start on and you
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explore as you go which is quite exciting bit CU it's like right what's coming up next this is happening there might be a trap that that triggers or
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enemies will appear and you're collecting these shards for whatever reason so that's quite nice as you kind of walking around and not quite knowing
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what you're you're going to get um and there are also uh particular dungeons
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that which are more set out from the start that might be a look of prison break or whatever there's so much
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content in this game like it's it's ridiculous how much content in even if you play the same
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class the same scenario in the same region he'll be different because just
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because the encounters you get will be different the variability is I don't know what what it's in millions probably
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and just the the variety you can kind of go and um so yeah so we we played through that that first session and you
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know you level up your character as you go and as you level up you can get more dice of your skills uh obviously gives
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you more and more abilities so so yeah it it's we had a really good time with
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it like um Davey was some sort of weird wizard shadow guy you're a wizard Davey
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yeah and he was just dealing absolute nonsense I was kind of a tanky just go around and and [ __ ] things cuz that's
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just easy for me and uh Paul was more of a elf Ranger and he was doing lots of
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kind of range damage and some call abilities there so no it it works really well and people ask me oh is it better
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than bones that's the question I is it better than bones is it for me it's not okay but I can see that it will be for
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most right and I'm you got that IP there that's the that's the bit that I'm about
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to be honest so the Elder scolls as and IP has never gripped me like I've played Oblivion uh to death and but that was a
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long time ago you know was that Xbox 360 come out yeah yeah so you know this is
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pre-board game stuff this is me being uh a proper video gamer um but Skyrim I
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started and then just could be bothered and so yeah so for me the IP doesn't hook me in like uh like other IPS do the
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last sentence that you just said about Skyrim not hooking you in yeah was just was basically you shooting an arrow straight through my heart or for the
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knee or or the knee or but it was all nice or you know all straight for the jugular it was I I played lots of hours
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this I'm I'm sure you did it's it's a great game don't get me wrong it's a great game and I don't knock it it's
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just I don't know I think it reminds me of a time where I fell out of um love for video games a little bit and I just
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I know I don't know can't be bothered but I think the reason why I like too many bones better is I do like the fact
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that all the characters have their individuality so if you pick a gearlock in Bones
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obviously that's the gear lock you're playing you can customize that gear lock in about you know 15 20 different ways
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still but that's the the flavor you get and I quite like that it's like going through a roster in a in a fighting game
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you know Street figh and I'm going to pick that character cuz that's the one that I I just want to play play with at
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this time and uh Elder Scrolls is well it it's kind of you takeing bits like a
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a recipe and you taking bits of ingredients and throwing them together to make what you want and that's quite exciting in its own right so you can be
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whatever the hell you want to be um but yeah I I think I'm glad I haven't
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purchased it cuz I don't need to for me and that's cool and will will I always
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play it absolutely because it's a bloody good time and people who have backed this thing are going to have a yeah I'm going to have an amazing time with it
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and if you love the IP I mean he a winner you're a winner already yeah um so no it's yeah it is a fantastic game I
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can see why it's hitting a lot of people's favorite games of all time
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that's that's that's a big statement but yeah I can sort of see that there's certain areas of the game like like that
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Regional map I was saying I was like you don't really need that doesn't really add a lot in my opinion the fights are
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cool because they're not on a 4x4 grid they're on a hexagonal battle map like hop moccus so they're kind of working
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that similar way so there's a bit more kind of range and a bit more utility and a bit more movement and free flow of
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different things you can do so but yeah it's it's cool I'm glad Rob's got it I'm
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looking forward to trying it proper three game you save 100 quid but I've saved 4 100 quid result yes nice nice
Kerley - Minos: Dawn of the Bronze Age
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carlington what about you what you been up to well I've been playing quite a lot of games lately actually so um yeah
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that's been really positive thing that mattc for example that was great play a few new games um but the one I've been
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getting along most with and I've been getting into properly has probably been uh the S and hotness of Minos dawn of
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the Bronze Age um but yeah been really enjoying that been getting really deep into the into
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the rules and kind of getting uh yeah just getting ready to teach it out and show other people how awesome it is um
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so yeah minus um dawn of the Bronze Age basically you take control of one of
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four clans of um yeah the old Menan civilization based in s cre um the idea
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of it is is is you're vying to take over as the new King which they call um Minos
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in this okay um so yeah it's basically it's a VP based game but what I love
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about this one is that you're not really like the Minoans are famous for not being U militaristic so it's actually
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log although there are certain elements of I wouldn't even not even sure I go far as to say area control it's more of
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a uh it's more of a dudes on a map game without any form of really proper
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fighting um which I really like cuz I'm not a particularly big fan of dudes on a map in a traditional sense where you
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kicking people out and it can just feel like quite a NE negative experience so I really like that immediately it's not a
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militaristic game but um there's elements of kind of like um you know card playing but there's also engine
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building there's kind of trade mechanics there's um some Euro mechanics some work
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placement style mechanics um and a really interesting kind of Dr dice drafting element to it as well I won't
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go into too much detail but basically you've always got and this is you know you get you've got all these action spaces in front of you and it could be
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draw a card play card build and uh move dudes around the map and then there's a wild um so yeah the the the idea is is
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that you when you Dice draft the lower the number is the more likely you are to
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get a more powerful action but the flip side is is if you get a combination of
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dice of the same color that add up to nine or more then you get a really nice
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bonus I'm not going to go into the details on the rules but that's what it adds up to so you're constantly Vine between do I want to prioritize that
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action that I really want that's super powerful or do I go for a higher number which means that I um get more of these
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combinations together um so it's just a really interesting puzzle they've really thought about it like that nine is just
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such a perfect number cuz you're like uming and arring between this decision all the time you know um so yeah it's
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just it's a really well thought out game there's so many um it feels like there's a lot going on without making it overly
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complicated the trade mechanic I love you collect these tiny little um like temporary resources but if you collect
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three of them you basically create your own Supply and then you got a permanent resource of that type when you get the permanent result of that type all of
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your you get discount on cards and you get a discount to build stuff for the rest of the game so it's it's just a
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really satisfying engine builder that incorporates a loads of different elements of other games I love as well
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so it's it's an absolute massive hit for me like I didn't expect to like it anyway near as much as this and I just
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uh yeah just a really huge fan I've I've now played it played it a couple of times I've um taught it once as well and
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uh yeah really looking forward to getting even more stuck into it so yeah Minos definitely recommend it to
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everyone nice nice nice it does sound like it be up my street is good yeah it is good good yeah you you liked it
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didn't you JP yeah I I saw this s and it was the kind of Bor and dice's uh latest
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release and they had loads of tables of it but I'll be honest at Essa I was like there it just doesn't for me like the
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look of it I mean it's beige as beige can get it just yeah I was like do I
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need this in my life and then Curly's um basically running the demo for for Minos
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at gridcom this year so he said well I need a I need a game so I can practice
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this and get the teach down and all that stuff said yeah we'll help you with that no problem and then we played and thought [ __ ] me it's really good and
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it's that it's that bit and I was thinking why is this so good what what is is it about this that makes it good it's the dice Drafting and programming
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that you have to do and it's the bit you will agonize over and swear a lot over
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because as you say it's the the colors the colors matter the number of Pips matter yeah in different ways from the
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having nine but also the the is the order it activates as well so it's like oh my God so you activate highest to
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lowest yeah so you activate highest to lowest so you've also got so if I want to if I want to draw cards I've got to
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look at it and go right I want to draw cards I want to do a low number so that I get to draw the most cards right but
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then if I draw a low number it means that I'm potentially drawing cards after I've done the play cards action so so
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it's like so actually you actually have to go for it with a high number of the with the draw cards even though you
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don't really want to and you end up with a worse action but you get to do it first then before you play and oh my God
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it's a that's clever simple in the way that the rule is interpret cuz you get it you go get
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but you trying trying to make that work but there is that wild space and that wild space is your I can do any of the
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actions which is like if that wasn't there Jesus it would be awful but yeah I just really enjoyed the planning U
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aspect of that game and then hopefully watching what you've done come to
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fruition or not yeah it's really good so it's really good yeah it is really good
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it's it's not often that you hear about like a programming mechanic kind of coming through quite strong is that m i
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mean the as soon as I hear the word programming the first thing I think of is rber Rally the which is obviously super old Avalon Hill game I don't think
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of anything kind of much more past that it's not a mechanic that I tend to go down but that does sound good I does
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sound quite interesting yeah it does but it it just if for me it feels satisfying in the fact that you really can see the
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progression through the game how you're doing like the your resources you get add add up to really nice discounts you
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end up like what I couldn't afford to do last turn I can do that and more this turn you know it just feels really
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satisfying as you go from the first turn through to the fourth round so yeah definitely yeah I think it's one that
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you would enjoy you you as well nice good ke what about you oh little old me
Dan - Terraforming Mars: Prelude 2
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yeah oh well you haven't played any games of you I haven't played I haven't played anything um I have I went around
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yours yesterday and played pre too busy too busy pre lude 2 for the old terraforming Mars The Old Faithful old
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Faith the new the new hotness the new not hot 2016 um hey you know it's it's
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it's like a comfort blanket isn't it TM you know it's like there's all this new stuff but you're Al so warm and cozy and
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comfy it is good uh and yeah so we got a bit of uh Prelude two out didn't we cly it was good last night I've really
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enjoyed it got to see some of the new corpse and the new cards uh and some of the new uh Maps uh those nepr maps are
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really well done they're really pretty really nice um and yeah the the base
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maps are okay but it's nice to play something a bit different um we've we've spoken about TM loads on the part
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haven't we so I wouldn't go into too much but what you know if you like more stuff then Prelude 2 is for you if You'
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like more TM stuff then it's that's what you kind of want yeah um and I think
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well when you cuz you taught me TM and yeah love the game it's amazing I think if you ever played TM without Prelude
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then that's but for me that would be a bit of a dull experience now that prel is that much I have fairly recently
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played it without Prelude have you and it was like oh God this takes forever yeah it's a slow slow hog yeah it's
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weird it was it's really straight just speeds it up doesn't it it gets you to the enjoyable bit quicker yeah that's
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what pre does for me yeah and I I like that so you know Prelude to add more of that good stuff all over it the only
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thing I would the only thing I would add to that for anyone considering getting it is that the biggest thing it does add
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which isn't quite just more of the same is that it does uh give you a variety of milestones and awards
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yes yeah so basically every map you just pick a random or you can just change it up it does say in the rules you can just
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put down whatever you like choose if you want to yeah pick and choose and yeah it just it just creates way more variety so
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you can have all the maps even that you're used to and change up the milestones and awards like I said we're not going to go into detail on what they
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are and what the rules are and everything else but you know if you get if you're really big and lover a TM then
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yeah just having that little bit of variety makes such a huge difference you stuck with the same Awards and Milestones on every map going so to have
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to change them up that's that's great yeah and there's lots of them as well there's like 30 of each or something
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like that so it's so much variety do you have some of the ones that are printed on the board so you can use them on other boards so you literally have the
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ones that you have like on the base map oh I don't know actually I think I think you do but you do you've got the ones on
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the on the you've got the ones already on the map cuz they they've all stayed if you want to play the old way yeah yeah but yeah all the new ones I think
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there's a lot of the one but there's loads of new ones as well that's good that's cool there's some really interesting ones for those who don't I
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think what were the ones we had yesterday Dan ones where you had to like majority
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of you the tiles you owned around the outside of the map that's right that was good I like that the one with the um
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requirements the prerequisites on cards was was quite interesting I quite like that one um it's not often because I
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didn't I didn't get weird cuz I didn't get any when we play I didn't get any cards that had any requirements on them at all um so I like we not going for
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that um but um those were the two main ones that kind of stuck out for me that and it was there one where you combined
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blue cards and green cards and the top number had to like 14 or more or something yeah that was definitely one
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that we've had before as well one oh is it but one of the ones that that we had from last night I thought was quite
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interesting was continuous uh of your land so continuous tiles of your land so it's like you know just yeah exactly so
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and and cards in your hand at the end of the game cards in your hand at the end of the game was another interesting one it just they've done it really cleverly
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but some of the cards that they've added are just really clever yeah it's like there's weird stuff like uh well with
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Tambo I think he was moving around his Nomads around the map with a little gold piece and just like collecting all the bonuses off the board you know turn it
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was just Wicked and I was I was creating religions in cities just kind of one VP
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at the end of the game for each one and but everyone got a Bonus of the like an extra card put a Sil Cube on top of the city You' done it yeah there's my
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there's my Cathedral I've made yeah I like that yeah just just little tweaks love the game love it love it love it
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love it should we uh should we do the main thing flop it out Main Event let's
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do [Music]
TURN 3 - Main Event: Do you feel lucky...punk?
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it so onto our main segment of uh the day do you feel lucky huh do you punk
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luck ah luck oh I have a love hate relationship with luck don't you guys
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the production level you know the quality you're adding to the podcast you want you want some more do you feel lucky huh do you punk was a was a five
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bullets or six and like two
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voices um yeah so luck so a a game that me and Curley played um put this idea
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into my head uh thinking about luck and thinking about my relationship with luck and the way that luck can influence play
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Styles or the way that you're having a good day or a bad day at the gaming table so um I'll I'll discuss that game
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that we had and then maybe we'll go around the table and we'll do the same thing um but that game that we played it
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was around yours it was a beautiful it was a beautiful day in March it was a wonderful I have no idea when it was um
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and it was September so I've brought this up a couple of times but it's that game of
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Septima that really made me think about luck now around the table obvious this is great for radio everyone's nodding at
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me uh because you know it's that game I didn't realize how much of a luck element it had that in that I don't call
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luck a mechanic it's more of a sub mechanic isn't it luck um because it's not something that you put on the box
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you know unless unless you're playing risk you know the luest game ever yeah so when it comes to when it comes to
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luck I have a a really weird scale I have a heads or tail scale at one end is risk
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where where it's all luck it's it's all down to the dice rolls and and and placement but mostly those dice rolls
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and that the other end of the of the spectrum for me it is caverna which has
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so little luck for me and and the most the amount of random elements in it is
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still even controlled by each round where you're changing up the action cards that's all it is otherwise the
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game is the same every time you play so that is kind of where my scale is and
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sept when sort of at first glance you would think it would probably go more of the kind of the cavera end but really it
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kind of doesn't uh and we played that that game where I see where you know with September if you know about
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September um you're you're putting it's about a witch's coven but you're you're putting um Town members into um a bag
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and you're drawing from this bag now on the day that we played that game I think
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I had all six of my Town's people in that bag as did you curlyy and none of mine came out like
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none of mine at all uh I think I had quite a good game but the game was was was implemented for me so badly because
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of that random draw now since then the game has they released deterministic comp rules for the game so if you don't
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want to play it that way then that's that's that's that's good um but since that game where I did everything in my
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power to try and change it up and make it go my way it just didn't the the
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thing is with it with Septima and I I I don't like to disagree with you so much
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really the thing is with Septima you go into that game knowing that and
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therefore every single round you've got to put yourself in the best position possible yeah and what you did on that
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occasion from what I remember is you went I'll put six in for one round and expect to win it and it just doesn't
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work that way so I hit hard yeah every single time until I didn't have to
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anymore so you just you just got to plan early and pump away just because you know in advance the fact there's a hefty
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luck element and you got to go at it a few times cuz if you fail the first now if I fail every single [ __ ] round
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that is kind of like oh [ __ ] sake and that is that is a downer you know and it is entirely possible in that mechanic
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happen I think it for the first for the first two main rounds um of the game I
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think I chucked them all in and got nowhere I I I you know what it was quite a long time ago now I don't remember it
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being that way but it it could definitely be I I just I don't know I do think with with a lot of these games I'm
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not sure about September because obviously you didn't want to tell me what what we were going to talk about before so I'd have to think about it but
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I don't know where I fall where I fall with September some games it's too much and it can feel
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really like a really negative feeling and I think that's what you came out what came out with I don't remember the
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specifics of of of our game so it's difficult for me to say without kind of going back but from an an analytical
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point of view it's the type of game that you have to you have to understand it understand what its possible pitfalls
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are and just Hammer that bag straight away get youres as early as you can and if you understand that I've found that
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most like all all of the games I've gone through I've managed to get there in the end yeah you know you've get through you
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know you do have bad luck in it but then it evens out over the long term usually I can remember stupidly unlucky I don't
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really remember it didn't it didn't pay off um and I found that I was on the back foot as a result that but it could have just been my play style and it
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could have just been my game I I remember it being the second time I played it so I didn't go in with a lot
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of experience with the game beforehand uh and it and it just but I I knew that that putting those people those meeples
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into that bag was a crucial part of getting more witches so I knew that I needed to go down that strategy to try
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and get those witches and and it just didn't pay off every time but for me when when playing that game I thought
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well the witches are obviously a a major part of the game because you need you know a maximum of four of them to unlock
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endgame scoring conditions so without them you're not going to be able to unlock those so I went well let's go ham
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on on those people but I find that there's so much luck intertwined with that that it if it doesn't pay off then
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it would put me on the back foot I do like it don't wrong I I love the game and I love I love M Clash love your M Clash um but yeah that random element
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and that time that we had put a damp on it for me cuz I couldn't I just couldn't find a suitable recovery maybe it was
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due to my inexperience with the game only been playing once beforehand but I couldn't find a way to recover from that
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you're not the first to say it on on on sept I have to say is most people's only complain with the game so don't think
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you're wrong yeah so does anybody else have any any examples where luck really he's either gone their way or hasn't
Examples of where luck has gone or not gone your way
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gone there way when playing a game that has become so you know obvious in your mind that it's something you always keep
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thinking about and going back to now I suppose the one game whether
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it's hindered my own game I don't know if it has but it's the one game that you guys were talking and it was kind of
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bubbling away is eclipse and Eclipse being the the random
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element in Eclipse I mean there's many random elements in in Eclipse but the the random element which I think
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can can depending on the sectors that you draw can be a pain in the ass so for
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those that don't know like eclipse is a 4X game you've got hex's all over and you can explore different X is off
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wormholes off your sector and then you depending on your race and faction you're typically drawing one per action
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I'm going to look at it and then going y that's useful put it in next to you and then take control and you're getting um
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deploying your ships and and on the planets and getting your economy basically moving forward now there are
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three kind of resources in the game which is science materials and and money basically and it's those bastard money
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planets if you don't see any you don't see any of them it's it's a tough game
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you're in for a rough game and uh and there are elements I think they try to balance it with or actually you can go
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down you know down different strategies but it's that Feelgood moment or not a Feelgood moment if you're not drawing
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the resource that you need and you're relying upon the the the shuffle of that stack and you're seeing someone else
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going I've got what I need H I've got what I need H you just sitting there go
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and um and I don't think it's happened to me specifically where I've I've yeah they put me off the game dramatically
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but I have seen it other players go through that and it's like well I don't know what to suggest other than you know
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everyone has like a a Commerce planet in their like area which they can use um
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but it's just one of those things it can happen but you kind of got to know that going in it's like what Curley was saying was Happ to me you kind of got to
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know that the things can happen kind of part of the part of the experience yeah
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cuz for me I don't mind dice rolling and in combat situations dice dice are
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random as crap com combat is combat isn't it cuz combat is know where you are with dice it's fine that's fine I've
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played games with the Clips in the last one we played where me and Rob were were fighting we were both probably equally [ __ ] in our arm arm which meant we were
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rolling the shitest dice and we had one ship each and he was like I roll you you roll I roll you R and we must have done
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about 30 35 rolls each before H I got hit just stupid but it was funny and you
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can kind of laugh at that but yeah just when you're trying to get an economy going and you can't get an economy going
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in that game it's critical but there's nothing worse than not rolling Dice and just not rolling the one the thing you want and continuously doing it but
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there's nothing you can do there's nothing you can do you know there's no there's there nothing you can blame because that's a core mechanic of the
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game and you just go away well is what it is yeah but the thing is in that game the why I don't mind the dice is that
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you can mitigate those dice to an element with through upgrades on your ships so you can say actually in order
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to prepare myself better for the fight I can even the odds by doing this this and this this and this so that's that's why
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I don't mind it cuz it's kind of like if you're going into a fight and you're not prepared for it well kind of down to you
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right down to you you're just rolling the numbers and hoping it works and if you don't like the luck element of dice
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you can actually give yourself Plus four or five to dice rolls yeah like all right you might do less damage than the
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other person if they do hit but you're going to hit most like nine times out of 10 you so it's it's just one of them
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nice so yeah that's the thing that just Bing down you those Stacks you reminded me of of terraforming Mars there because
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I remember multiple times playing um TM with you curly and if you know the cards
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that the really really good cards that come out of that deck I'm listening to you you're like a like a [ __ ] on chips
35:54
Martian rails yeah yeah Marti it's always you know and you know the cards and you know which one's going in your
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hand and you're there you're screening like a little school boy you know I I had that yesterday when we were playing
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like the best time I was like yeah my engine's really rubbish like I saw Nate really like a friend of the Pod Nate uh
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really pull away early G like he had literally for those who play before the game even started he had 17 money
36:21
production crazy before the game even started just in Prelude so his Corp gave him five money production he took a six
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money production Prelude and then his new Prelude Prelude 2 does do your
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rather Prelude again so I was like Nate that is
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unreasonable um but yeah but anyway the advantage I had off my my my start was rubbish but my hand was mint I mean it
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to say I had like literally I I was like I looking down like I'm not sure I change any of these cards for whole deck
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so I'm having them all yeah so you know I was like you know I'm not not quely confident but I was like I'm going to have a good game here you know where if
36:58
I get them out you know but no I agree with you on a Clips actually I do it's one of my favorite games of all time
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it's like top five for me easily my favorite Forex but I tend towards the
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one that draw multiple tiles for that reason descendant and planter I think I think it's massive and I think the only
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thing you can do is either Outlaw both of those two particular which I'm not I'm not sure where I sit with or like
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you said add one or maybe you've got a veto so you pluck one and get another one for free on like a to there's no
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perfect fit but I can see it being frustrating if someone's getting really lucky and you're not because especially
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actually I found it worse not with the expansion necessarily but what was was it the part of one of the modules with
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the expansion where you've got quite a lot of tiles would do do different things yeah you've got the galactic
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events look yeah so I found it worse with that because there are a couple of those that are really interesting but
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they don't do a lot for your for your Empire you know true yeah so I I really like that module but I think um yeah I
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think there's more feel bad movements to be had whereas most of the ones that you pluck straight are annoying like I you
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could pluck some that aren't the best for you but it's usually because they got defense on them which means at some point you're going to go back and give them a kick in yeah oh yeah those cool
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you know it is one of them like I do feel like there's not that many bad tires in the base game yeah I don't
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think there such a thing as a bad tile I mean there are some there are some rough ones but it's just what you're after
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yeah and you're trying to hunt and there's no way of you hunting that out you know if you could kind of go right
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you can draw tiles to the first that planet tip that you see or there's a tech that allowed you to do that that
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would that would help you fish out what you're after well it doesn't always help but you you can get like um orbitals for
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example I've had one where I just couldn't pull a [ __ ] thing but then I got an orbital uh got the research for
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orbital which again requires luck right I got the orbital and then I could build those and then I put them all on money
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and then it all helped you know so it was like I managed to get my way out of it but apart from that I can't think of
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many ways around it so yeah I know what I mean just one of them yeah any other examples guys yeah t what do you think
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mate well I funny enough I've played a game night a little game can't pration takako Tako Tako with a
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littlea yeah yeah so I love this the game's good but then I actually gone off it the L part now cuz we're playing it
39:23
and I was there going all these we got these certain cards you can you got one with a and you got one for tire placement and you got one for for the
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panda those the cards you draw so we played a couple of games the first game I was doing the W cards and then my
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niece at the end just started saying I'm going to draw the tire cards and literally for a luck it's not that but she Drews the tire card and she's done
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it I've done it put on the table so that's five points that then kepts going for it oh I've done it done it so she
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won just by drawing up Tire cards did you flip the table nearly really tactical around the thing
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but it's just how old is how old is your nie 16 yeah I was going to say like just like having a Ral tantrum in front of
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your 16y old niece no God's sake so cool so lucky but I don't I like luck games I
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love that luck games I got a lot of like zombie side I got all the got quacks I love luck games cuz I also think luck
An aside on push your luck games
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games I'm might actually have a chance to win if luck goes my way there's always that aspect P I love push and
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luck luck is like cuz you mentioned zombie side and zombie side unfortunately is one of my most hated games you throw it up in your mouth I
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don't like it uh but but it served a purpose when I first started playing games I I played zombiie side when it first came out uh and when I played I
40:33
was like this is amazing this is the greatest things and I'm like oh Alpha gamer oh not enjoying this Alpha gamer
40:38
oh my God there's much luck no I'm done but push your luck qua is an amazing game yeah there's something about
40:44
pushing it's that great decision it's like shall I should I it's the thing it's the it's the contract of the game
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right so when you you play in a euro game you don't expect look to be in
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there to screw you but if you're playing a push your look game like quacks or cubito or I mean that's what it is it's
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like you know you're pissing about a look you know you're going you know you're going into like you you could stop well you can carry on yeah and he's
41:10
like I'll do it again I love it I love it I love it fantastic is I played it
41:15
recently like two or three weeks ago and it's and it still holds up still holds up it still is a great place it is I
41:22
freaking love that not playing it for a while now it's great it's so good the only the only complaint that people have about that is is absolutely true by the
41:29
way you are just playing with yourself really I mean I want to rephrase that but no I'll keep it in yeah yeah keep it
41:34
in um yeah but but you are aren't you really it's just like you know you're doing it all together but actually you're not there's no contention no
41:41
contention at all it's the only contention you got is like the moth isn't it so if someone draws two black moths you get something Theos to True
41:48
know but someone said to him there's no contention in this and they went oh uh
41:54
there we go that thing so that's what it is you know it's yeah but no I'm not really complaining about it it's one of
41:59
them it's really good fun so it's good fun yeah I bought it again when it first came out and it was like oh this is this is good it's it's it's nice to see a
42:06
fresh take on a on a on a push of luck yeah what I like about it it feels like a board game but actually it's really easy for casual people to get really
42:12
into great family game exactly and and one for people who don't play games that often like it's always my go-to when
42:19
when people ask me at work or something like well what are you guys into and oh I really like ball games and you know it's one of them oh ball games what like
42:26
Monopoly yeah well genuinely is like that that's the first phrase that comes up but yeah I always just say give
42:32
quacks a go like especially with it's family like you know oh my 13y olds they don't like board games though and I say
42:37
try them on this they'll like it I guarantee it definitely win-win win-win but yeah good one t I do agree
42:44
actually yeah I a lot of objective games like that and I'm quite stubborn now so I won't I think if someone's doing that they're cheating that's how I like it so
42:51
I just get let me guess she's just going to draw some T random cards and get tiles
42:57
you're going to win it you know the last stop it Uncle TBO stop it I just yeah it put me off a little bit I mean is there
43:03
is the only condiment at your house salt or is there any other was a spice I was SP is spicy yeah no no
43:15
yeah by the way you can see he's still R you can tell he looks genuinely pissed off yeah I did have a bit when when did
43:23
you play this is this like Rec when I see my sister un wolf she had a house on there six months ago last week last week
43:30
and I'm still angry still angry yeah love that can't look at pandas anymore him
43:36
up so that's my bad experience so guys um so this got me this subject got me
What is the right amount of luck in games?
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thinking what is the right amount of luck so I mentioned before about risk
43:49
probably having too much and something like CNA maybe not having enough where for you is a good fit where it's got the
43:57
right amount of luck where it's not kind of pushing over the top cuz risk I can't play Risk anymore cuz it's just too much
44:04
and for that reason for for the luck reason so is there a game maybe that you know out there that is just two luck
44:10
based that you won't touch anymore like risk or you prefer a game that's so
44:16
deterministic that you don't want any luck in there and if so which one I haven't got a game in mind but
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it's about where look is so I mean by that is is is look
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determining like the outcomes of what you're doing or is it feeding into what you're doing right so where I have a
44:36
problem with look is is when you feel like you got no freaking control over it so it's it's it's happened to you tough
44:43
[ __ ] right You' got to deal with it yeah I don't mind Randomness in games at all I I think it's quite important to have
44:50
it same certain cases but you always got to feel it's mitigable in some respect
44:56
or you feel that you got some way of I would say controlling it entirely but nudging it like the weather tile in
45:03
venos yes yeah like as soon as you see okay this is the problem it's a random problem how I deal with it but it's it's
45:10
it's the random element injecting into your decision space rather than random element that's that's forming what
45:17
you're doing you know yeah so yeah and that applies to to any game it's just having you know a bit like castles of
45:23
burgundy right you you're completely relying upon dice rolls but you can use workers to nudge you you spend a
45:30
resource basically workers to nudge those dices up up up and down yeah so again you've got a mechanism to just
45:36
shift things in the right way but hey if you're lucky you're lucky great great guns Everyone likes being lucky everyone
45:42
gets a great feeling when you roll the perfect combination and that that's quite hard to emulate in a in a complete
45:50
deterministic game which is you know it's a different style of game right yeah definitely you know if if you want
45:56
to determine this game um then great but you then you know
46:02
you you're kind of playing it and and you're getting the good feelings based on the decisions you are making when no Randomness injected in it at all and
46:08
that's fine that's great for the problem I've got with deterministic games is that a lot of them feel
46:15
solvable you know I feel like you could you could play it doesn't mean it's easily solvable but it feel like after a
46:20
few plays you could get to a point where you're like I'm not sure what else can be done with this game this is my this
46:27
was my my opinion on void fall yeah when before I played void fall and they said that it the the combat was deterministic
46:34
I'm like O Okay so is it does it get to a point where it is just completely solvable and that is that going to be a
46:40
problem for me and then when you play it I realize it it's not and a lot of it is a lot of it does have a lot of random elements and it changes it up so it's
46:47
the combat is deterministic but the game isn't no that's the key point with it but yeah I I mean in answer to your
46:53
direct question there is one game that I wouldn't play again for luck reasons um wins a new merera for me was too much
47:00
played that yeah I think it's a good I think it's a newish game it's a good game I'm not really against it it's just
47:05
it's definitely not for me is the fact of every single turn um we won't get into the detail of the game but every
47:11
single turn you draw a card and you can basically do one of a few different actions that's basically yeah you get
47:18
like an event card and then it goes around now the problem is that I've got that event card could be gamechanging
47:23
could be like one of a particular back with a with a gold back and and gives you a massive weapon or a good bit of
47:29
armor or something amazing happens to you or it might screw you completely and the problem is it's like lit literally
47:36
and I'm not even exaggerating with this I think I was sat next to Davey which never makes it much easier but I'm sat
47:41
next to Davey and on his turn he was plucking either average or good cards and when it came around to me I'm not exaggerating three times in a row I got
47:48
the I got the you did as well we both got black cards now that was the start of the game when you're meant to be
47:54
building your engine and literally if you now the problem I have with that game is you draw this black card it
47:59
screws you bad and you literally because it screwed you so bad you don't have any money yeah and I was like well I can't
48:05
actually do an action so you skip you wait for 10 minutes for your turn to come around pluck another card and it's
48:10
black again and then it got to the point where I went right I need to mitigate this I'm going to play do this special
48:15
action which meant that I could draw three cards and they were all black and I was like I was like I was like you
48:21
know what I think I'm done with this game and so that that was well like JP said anybody remembers it
48:29
I've just got a vision of your kids on a on a bike and someone's just put a stick
48:34
into the front wheel if you spokes you go just that's basically what happened I got a vision of you being around the
48:40
table picking up these black cars just going for [ __ ] sake ex I tried to keep
48:45
good humor as much as possible and I don't always manage it but yeah that was like oh I can't actually believe this
48:51
like like it's so St you can't do anything once you've got one of these black cards or it's well the problem is
48:57
they do screw you quite badly and I'm not saying you can do nothing but like when you see Davey like pulling out
49:03
[ __ ] I'm going to do I'm going this I'm I'm going to take two off
49:08
you I'm going to add one for that and then I'm going to do this really cool action and I go yeah I I can't do anything your your impression of DAV was
49:15
canny he's going to love that when yeah he's like yeah I did do that yeah but
49:20
yeah I mean to be honest as well it was that then you were also on your turn you were if you wanted to beat someone up
49:26
like and that was I kind of liked it but you had to then roll a dice and and you know I think there was one time where I
49:32
was like right I've tipped it all in my favor I've done what I can managed to get out this massive flipping hole I was in from the start of the game and then I
49:39
had like five and six chance of like managing to do over Davey or something and I just rolled the one that wasn't
49:45
and that was it I was like oh this game might be too much bad luck for me you know it was just it was like the straw
49:50
that broke the camels back after just about recovering from that horrifying start to then just like right I'm going
49:56
to Con on combat tip it all in my favor and then still lose I was like you know what see you
50:02
later I'll never play this again yeah it's just one of those I didn't come out of it thinking this is load of rubbish
50:07
but I just thought too much for me good example did you feel the same JP I have interest or not yeah yeah no I did I I
50:14
thought I would enjoy it more but for the similar reasons I just thought it's just too swingy in the way
50:21
that it happens basically it's like Game of Thrones Style game in a card game but
50:29
yeah I just feel that that whole draw a card you're screwed you lost your money great I was about to upgrade my
50:35
abilities with that now I can't and the fact down down time takes too long but let's probably do a whole episode on
50:40
downtime could we yeah we really could but there we go Cody subject yeah oh he
50:46
loves downtime depends on the game constantly at me for like taking me turn you you
50:52
know I like to take my time not too long you know what fun is JP's looking at me cuz he's constantly on my case as well
50:58
so it's probably where I get it from really yeah calls me AP JP
51:04
right and I was that's just been a few games where the tables have turth I would say and I was like come on curly
51:11
notop trying M Max everything the thing is this is the epe that time genuinely genuinely the same for
51:18
everyone is that when you're on your turn cuz you're doing stuff it's it's no problem right but when everyone else is
51:24
watching you do that it seems like [ __ ] ever right so it's just a matter of everyone takes ages on their turn you
51:30
just don't really realize it so it's just one of the he's ajp Tambo takes [ __ ] forever Dan was doing snoring
51:37
and singing songs about you know his it's just the nature of it's okay when you take forever though this is what I'm
51:43
saying tampo is that I do take forever but it doesn't take forever in your own head cuz you're doing stuff right that's
51:48
true it's just a way of it it's just basically a black hole that sits near curly just absor the time away so he
51:55
doesn't realize oh my God that was so fast and efficient yeah it's just cuz my
52:00
turns are amazing it takes ages to like compute it all and get you know count up all my victory points you know it just
52:06
takes a while you like you're watching The Matrix isn't it n and ones yeah yeah or just or just NS when it comes to
52:13
your score down very much so let's carry on anybody else with any other examples
52:19
of luck and games there where luck has just been a bit too much well can I just say my other part to it that's the one
52:26
that goes too far Twilight imperum is the one that gets it right for me with the right amount of luck yeah right
52:31
amount of luck I think dice rolls and and like faction cards and there's you feel like even like the way the map
52:36
comes out and everything it just feels like there's luck elements but it doesn't go too far there are some feel bad moments with like when you roll your
52:43
dice and it's bad but that's like you know part the course you're in for seven hours there's going to be some
52:48
f it feels like there's what JP said was perfect there's enough agency to the luck to make I think that game is almost
52:56
almost is perfect I don't know if I'd go that far for for what it for what you
53:01
get in that box and what you've got and all the all the components and all the mechanics mashing together it's just
53:08
that and and it CU it stands a test of time doesn't it it's on its fourth edition excited like I know we got game
53:13
coming right and it's like that we got Twilight imp period been a month and it's always a nice feeling but then I do
53:21
get in sometimes hour six and I'm like oh Jesus Christ be over yet I only play
53:26
it like once or twice a year if if that but I don't I don't put it in a top 10 list because it has its own special
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place for me and because of like Game of Thrones does so Game of Thrones is not perfect it has lots of balancing issues
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and will always be that especially like the base game the base game of Game of Thrones is horrendous uh and you know
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with the vassals yes it's better but it's still not perfect but for me TI is
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is is like is like the Game of Thrones for me that's almost perfect yeah I I I love game Game of Thrones but I will say
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I totally agree with you because actually Game of Thrones has more actual real problems in the actual
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gameplay honestly I would like for them to revisit it fix Third Edition yeah
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because genuinely I think that the tracks are broken and I think the vassel system at the moment is a bit broken cuz
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if you end up with in the right positions on the tracks and you get the vassels game over I've had hours of
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conversations with many people about this game and about how imbalanced it is and people like say oh this faction is
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the best this one this house is like no it [ __ ] isn't and it's like if you are grual you're likely to [ __ ] win
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if you're playing the base game but like if you're playing with vassals it's different but like people like there there's people that think so like if you
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if you have if you have Lannister people like you've never played the game or played like once I want to be Lannister cuz it's so cool like don't play
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Lannister because you will [ __ ] lose you've got you've got too many natural enemies yeah you're the Ty rolls enemy
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you're the great joy enemy and you're a nice little poking stick for both the Martel and the barathan at the same time
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is too much I love talking about it I love talking as well it's such a great but but again it's it's for me it was
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like oh risk is risk is a good game but it's so luck luck Elan and then I grew
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up and then I Got Game of Thrones it's the risk I've always wanted you know and it's only a little bit of luck no dice
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isn't it's great you know and like the tit of battle cards is like the only kind of major random element in combat
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don't mention that around Davey yes I'm yeah I've heard of this story um but you I I don't think I've ever played a game
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of Game of Thrones without those cards you need I think I have once and then I threw the cards in I thought I like what
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the cards do yes because there's just always a little little little bit of unknown about the Battle which quite
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thematic in battles yeah and that is the right amount of luck that it needs yeah I like how much it upsets Davey that
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used them I just like Dave like can we just play with that one time and you're like nope nope no no no the SKS SKS add
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fun yeah even when that happens to you and you swear it's fun yeah I mean I I had one game where if I didn't pull a
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skull on the last poll I would have won and I did and that was it we forget if the skull [ __ ] you or [ __ ] them it
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[ __ ] you it doesn't matter whether you win or lose one you lose and all it was just something weird like I think I had
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the guy do you remember the I forget what I think it was the Ty rails where if you win a fight you can bounce and do
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another one and and I had to have that one dude left in order to do my second bounce and
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take fre place and I got the SK I was like and I was like winning by
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flipping loads I'd really calculate out so it's literally the pull of a skull was the only thing that could have got me and of course but that that's a good
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amount of element that's a good am too much luck no that's just the amount it's just the right amount cuz that's the only bit of luck I think in it apart
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from the the Westeros cards at the top but that's that's just kind of but that's impacting everybody that's not
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impacting I haven't got a problem so I don't mind that Mei yeah I think those those battle cards
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are the only lucky bit in there just it stops IT feeling a bit void FY in the
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sense of I've now determinist deterministically worked out that I'm going to definitely win this yes yeah
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and you know you can still over egg a fight which is probably what you would do in a real battle he like you I think
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I'm going to win this but I want to make sure yeah that's the only dampener on void F's rule set for me it's the only
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one and I understand why it needs to be determined it needs to be based on what it what it I think it does it needs to have that in there because of the end
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result that you're trying to achieve so if you start putting random enement in there then you're really going to start to mess with the mechanics I think of
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the main of the game yeah um so then you know never me play Game of Thrones yeah
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it's never bothered me like cuz I love void I love it but it's the only thing that for me that doesn't make it perfect
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is the fat that has that determin but you go in there you go in there're playing it knowing that so it's you know it's okay I think the original game it
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was based on was the reason why kicked off so much which not only CU it's a very good game but also people really
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liked how deterministic it was yeah so it was like a key component to the actual design was the deterministic the
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combat the combat so I don't think they had very much choice and actually I think it works like you said there's so
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many other random elements works yeah Game of Thrones I could I could talk about that for do love it I yeah yeah
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well we got a game coming up soon I get some more people on that but we yeah yeah how many have we got if you did it on another day oh I know I doing on a
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Sunday a Sunday night but I promise you it will go quick genely I said Dan I'm not doing that and
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then I you know G sign up you're finishing at 2:00 a.m. no listen what I said to him I said it's
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2: a.m. and he was like no it's not I'm like yes it is I want to text but you finish all right
58:41
genuinely we start one midday we didn't finish till like 2 in1 did we once that was outside as well was you remember that that was Co times when we were
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allowed to have many people so we actually staged one outside in order to be able to do it did you co carport yeah
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Co carport time I think the longest Game of Thrones game I've played is about 18 hours um but it was but it was because
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of who I was playing with I was playing with a bunch of newbies and one person who would literally mmax everything it
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was very painful it was very painful but most of the time it's five or six hours and it's done so I reckon six and I
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reckon it'll be done but who knows you soing me under the table yeah
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nice okay Midnight finish midnight I reckon so um as long as there's no newbies around the table if there
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newbies plus plus an hour I don't think it'll be midnight reckon I I think it will be if I had to guess now like put
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my money on it 130 if you Marshall it and you honor everybody doable yeah but
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it's kind of like do you want to cuz most of that game is the banter and most
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of it is the is the uh the arguments and but I marshaled a 17 player game of megative yeah and that you know what I
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mean drill people go come on go you know if you do that you can do it true we'll
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see is a prime culprit I don't know what you're talking about he'll be like taking ages on his turns and I'll be
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like AP asbo um okay any any other examples of
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games that would luck or are we done there I think not examples of games that
When you lose battles due to luck but it's not the end of the world
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that have too much luck but I think I think we played like Andromeda Edge
1:00:17
recently and that has a attacking in it and you're rolling dice yeah you can
1:00:23
again do things to to help mitigate that grade your ship and stuff like that but again it's that whole thing of and an
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ARX is another one it Springs into mind is that when you lose a combat it's not the end of the world like it it might
1:00:36
feel bad because you you think oh well I lose combat it's generally not a feel-good moment but in yeah in those
1:00:44
games you're probably going to lose but it's fine you're still going to get something from it and actually you can orchestrate and engineer it do more for
1:00:50
losing fights than winning them which is just amazing I think the last game I had uh a little token these moons can slot
1:00:56
in I had a 2vp moon put it into my uh what's called the Tactical operations
1:01:01
area which is what you get every time you lose a fight and I'll just going in any fight losing getting two victory points it's great that's like when you
1:01:08
play like anacron with like the adventure expansion I always forget the name of it and you have to draw the cards and then you choose like and then
1:01:14
if you fail you you still get something off the back of it yeah and generally like arcs is the same and but ARS is a
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bit different cuz you can get absolutely robbed like literally everything can be raided and stolen off you and that
1:01:26
you think at the time oh doesn't feel good but you can still win you know
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you're not out the game yeah that's it you're still in the game it's all still to play for and you can still you're not s on it are you no no I am I I really
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like AR just you just got picked on the last yeah I just got picked on really badly and it just suffers from that I
1:01:45
think I what I didn't get salty at all like JP said with that game you just got to sign the contract at the start of the
1:01:51
game it's just I went ahead too far too well I didn't particularly intend to I just happened to win the thing and
1:01:57
because I built all the planets not the planets the cities I was getting an extra 5vp and I happened to win one of
1:02:05
them so I got up to 10vp in the first round and everyone else was on three or four and then what happened in the
1:02:11
second round which is exactly how you need to play that game exactly you did the same as well you went ahead of us and we
1:02:17
picked on you at onep and I'm not saying it was a feel bad moment but I got pummeled by all
1:02:23
three of them all of my stuff destroyed I was I was literally all of myits were
1:02:29
destroyed all of my cities were damaged and like I came out of that with almost nothing it wasn't particularly feel good
1:02:34
term but it's you know it's was one of them that's what the game is it is um but yeah it's just one of them that
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I yeah I I don't know how I feel about I really like it I really enjoyed my both my games of it but there was I think I
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drew some really bad cards towards the end and you know that kind of stuff I don't know I don't know there is a lot
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of leader no who owns it around the group JP youve got it yeah yeah I do I
1:02:59
do really like it but I think you you have to really be in the right mindset 100% yeah yeah you got to just as we we
1:03:07
talked about on the pub before you just got to like enter it and go right things
1:03:12
are going to happen right it's going to feel like in a normal game of any other game it will feel bad shit's going to go
1:03:19
down yeah but it's not the end of the world so just like write it off start again cuz like every game I always
1:03:26
thought you could have a bad round in AR CU then the next round would be really good yeah it doesn't car over has a catch up and then it wasn't sold on it
1:03:34
based on my previous experience with leader games but I would give it a go I would give it a go but the biggest
1:03:39
problem it's got is it looks like a 4X but if it really isn't it really is no that's the biggest problem I see you
1:03:45
could you could probably buy that and think oh I you know what you're getting and you really don't no you know
1:03:51
sometimes I quite like that though yeah no I think it's a really good game it's certainly like very different when game
1:03:56
I've ever played before yeah it's Unique yeah so on to the last
Does the amount of luck decide on whether you will play a game again or not?
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question um will be will the amount of luck in a game decide on whether You'
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play that game again you gave a perfect example earlier of the game that you were describing with the cards um what
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was it what was that called Winds of num Maser yeah so I imag yeah that is yeah I mean I imagine you're probably not going
1:04:19
to pick that up again yeah I don't think it's a bad game like say it's not for me I probably wouldn't play it again no so
1:04:25
it to that yeah no anybody else or any other any examples of games that you know you know what there's just too much
1:04:30
luck in there I'm not touching that food chain magnet there's no luck
1:04:36
at all oh yeah sorry you just don't like it they gave be really don't like yeah
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yeah yeah you're right he's got zero looking in that it's just punishing just really punishing yeah I can't think of
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one there's not one that I would say I refuse flat out refuse to play unless
1:04:54
someone mentions one I got oh yeah that's that one dinx when you had that bad role oh yeah no I I I wouldn't say
1:05:00
I'll refuse to play it but it has diminished my opinion on the game yeah
1:05:05
100% yeah cuz I was enjoying it yeah and then it's like oh we've thrown in some
1:05:11
random dice roll thing to to make sure your dinosaurs might might eat you and we all had to roll a
1:05:17
dice everyone Rolls n not a lot happened I rolled lost like loads of people
1:05:26
it was horrible for JP but for me and T it made all day so and and I was
1:05:31
enjoying the game up to that point and it's that whole thing I had no control over this thing it's like it just that's happened to you for no reason other than
1:05:38
you just rolled the dice roll of it [ __ ] whoops a I I get what I I do agree
1:05:43
actually and it did it just I want say it's put me off it but it's made me question do I do I want to play this
1:05:49
again it felt like an old mechanic didn't it for me that's what it felt like I mean I I do I'm just trying to
1:05:55
remember why did you roll have to roll the dot I think you only roll the dot it wasn't cuz normally you only roll the
1:06:01
dice if you [ __ ] up and that's fine and you didn't [ __ ] up it was just random
1:06:06
event random element event came in all dinosaurs are rioting everyone has to roll thean it was funny it was funny
1:06:13
what you said there is is an old mechanic you know it's not it's not often that you'll roll a dice these days where it's completely random where it
1:06:19
will probably give you six outcomes if it's a D6 and there's no physical way to modify the outcome of that role yeah
1:06:25
yeah to be to be fair that's easily fixable you just remove the the event cards that actually do that because
1:06:31
that's a sensible response like if you think n there's too much potential for a feel bad moment that's outside your
1:06:37
control don't remove the dice because actually yeah you run the risk of being punished but remove the event card that
1:06:43
that you literally have zero control over I think that's a perfectly reasonable solution if IID have messed up that game to the point where you take
1:06:50
it I'd be like it's my fault I can understand that I run the risk of of maybe not feeding the dinosaurs and get
1:06:56
a bit pissed off like you did on an Acron you remember and all of your [ __ ] blew up cuz you'd flipping you know what
1:07:02
was it all the uh the the glitches on I forgot they scored negative
1:07:08
VP I don't care what's going on yeah oh no I've made a boo boo guys yeah yeah
1:07:14
they're minus two VPS each aren't they yeah-
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12 but I had a good game yeah yeah but at least you realize you [ __ ] up and it's not something that's out of your control that's my bad you know don't I
1:07:26
don't mind that yeah that's fine T any games that you would completely avoid um it I've I got Batman Talisman and I
1:07:34
always say I've said it before the past that was just a rolling so it's a rolling move game which mechanic very much and you just roll and
1:07:41
you're around the Ed of the map and then you just don't get to the spots you want you just there all hours just rolling dice Talisman has got like a real cult
1:07:48
following of people that absolutely adore it but most people just don't don't like it because of that random
1:07:53
rolling element yeah I mean I P my game was good fun but then the second game was awful cuz it just couldn't we couldn't get out get the base and then
1:08:00
one person got out and it just took hours and hours right rolling moves and mechanic I probably would avoid but then
1:08:06
there are games that have implemented it like uh Merlin I think is one yeah that apparently a lot of people have enjoyed
1:08:12
it has rolling move in it and it's like okay so maybe I won't write off the mechanic entirely but if it's an old
1:08:19
rolling move it's because it's because as soon as you mention Roland move you think of Monopoly it's the first thing you think of it's the first thing you
1:08:24
think of and is is it is a tired old mechanic that you just don't see anymore I just think you got to be really
1:08:30
careful about the way you implement it CU it can be really broken I mean I I
1:08:35
played Talisman like before I even met you guys you know a long time ago and the bit I didn't like about is not so
1:08:41
much getting out of it like you could cope with it like everyone was in the same boat type thing it was the end of the game the end of the game literally
1:08:47
the way the game ends is you roll the dice when you get to the end and everyone is's not that n bit on a four
1:08:53
plus they all take a wound well I sat there for about 20 minutes every single turn you got one dice roll one 3 2 3 one
1:09:02
one 3 and it and they all caught up managed to get to that in bit and they finished it before me even though I was literally there for about an hour just
1:09:09
roll and all I was doing was rolling a dice and failing to roll a four you know what it reminds me of snakes and ladders
1:09:15
and you have to roll the exact number or Ludo yeah and you can't do it six to get
1:09:21
out yeah yeah you you need the one one number and one in six chant every time great yeah but I just see Talisman as
1:09:28
the father of a lot of games to be honest I think it's got a place I think like stuff like some of the mechanics
1:09:33
are really inter like the amount of Cs they brought in the fact that you get items roll on there defeat monsters like
1:09:39
there's some really cool stuff in that is just a couple of things that are broken old yeah but they still make they
1:09:46
make like a fifth edition recently it's got massive C following massive yeah it's not it's not for me but it's had
1:09:53
like so many different iterations of it like said Batman I think they did a Kingdom Hearts one they've done few
1:09:58
loads yeah if they did an IP I was interested in I might actually consider getting it yeah like yeah like I'm not
1:10:07
saying I would give it to you guys to play but I'm just saying I might I don't actually hate Talisman Lord Rings
1:10:13
Talisman yeah yeah exactly if there was a Lord of the Rings Talisman I would already own it and if there was a Harry
1:10:19
Potter version Becky would own it so thanks guys um love talking about luck I mean luck is like one of the the special
1:10:26
attributes in Fallout so really I do love luck really but only when it goes my
1:10:31
way like like everyone yeah yeah yeah yeah totally gives a luck totally Let's
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uh let's get on to the next thingie [Music]
TURN 4 - Would you rather...your favourite board of all time have a deterministic only expansion OR a luck only expansion
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doie okay would you rather have your favorite board game of all time have a
1:10:54
deterministic expans created and then you play only that version of that game
1:10:59
or have a luck based expansion for your favorite Bard game and only ever play that version from now
1:11:06
on T well that's difficult cuz my favorite games Marvel Champion that's all luck based that is all L based but
1:11:12
then if they release a deterministic expansion for it and you had to play that and only that would that be something that you do would it need it
1:11:19
no would you want it I like the luck base of it that's the whole point it's not all luck base though is it I know you build your own decks but it can
1:11:26
it depends how the the villain draws if he draws all his bad cards at the beginning or it's
1:11:31
mixed yeah yeah yeah that is kind of luck based I guess if you're making another luck based expansion it's just
1:11:37
more of the same yes so I guess with that particular version you'd uh reduce
1:11:43
the luck and have it deterministic what order they came out in but that would decrease the variety right yeah so it'll
1:11:49
be luck based definitely I wouldn't put a t m stick on Champion definitely yeah
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nice I'm interested to know what JP's going do too many bones bones if I make bones
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deterministic it wouldn't be bones it wouldn't be bones it would be like the Euro version of too many bones which
1:12:07
just sounds boring to me I've never played it so I wouldn't know I just think the reason why bones works is
1:12:15
because of the luck so that's that's interesting this then right yeah yeah but again it's the thing of you roll the
1:12:22
dice in Bones you're attacking you know monsters and whatever and the beauty of
1:12:27
that game is like normally when you're doing dice in combat you could either crap out and oh well you didn't hit the
1:12:34
monster for what you wanted to tough [ __ ] whereas this is well the the crap
1:12:40
out symbols the bone and then you kind of move that dice into what's called your backup plan so there's always
1:12:46
something you can do there's always something a way for for things to happen so yeah if you kind of made that all
1:12:52
deterministic I think it might take some of the charm away from that game no way I would I I do not add no deterministic
1:13:00
stuff in there keep that in your Void Falls keep that in your yeah you know your U crunch crunchy uh Euros they have
1:13:08
their place now I don't want anywhere near I've never really thought about it before but I see you as quite a deterministic person and it surprises me
1:13:15
that your favorite game of all time is Sopris Lu based surprises me really cuz
1:13:21
I I favor Euros as a game generally most of my next kind of favorites that go
1:13:27
down are all Euro games the same it's like me and Tambo are very much I think we we like like you're a merry trash
1:13:34
yeah yeah we do mine I'm more Euro based and and it you know you for me it was going through
1:13:41
that that transition of going from a merath rash to to to to Euro and just going you know what I prefer this yet my
1:13:48
my number one game is not Euro based so it's weird isn't it it is weird it is
1:13:53
weird it's feelings yeah it's what but now I keep keep it look add more look to
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be honest I'm happy to stop making expansions for bones it's expensive guys
1:14:04
like I've got I've got enough like message to chip Theory stop it are they
1:14:09
still making any more no they've done I say they're done I hope they''re done cuz the Trove chest is full we don't
1:14:15
need anymore true can't get any more in there no I'm I'm sticking with lucky lucky lucky lucky nice Trove chest the
1:14:23
return yeah we need a second yeah one that eats the first one oh nice
1:14:28
and also the other bits of your cak shelf so it actually extends it and your bank account nom nom nom nom nom nom nom
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what about you um for me um my favorite game is is Frost punk I absolutely love
1:14:41
Frost Punk um with the random elements and the luck based elements of frost
1:14:48
Punk like you said with too many bones if you didn't have those in there then it wouldn't be the game you couldn't
1:14:53
really make Frost Punk comp completely deterministic I don't think because you need that those random elements to come
1:14:59
out to to get you for for the game to work yeah that being said to have a
1:15:06
luck-based expansion um for frost Punk for frost Punk would make it worse it
1:15:13
significantly so but to add a deterministic expansion wouldn't make it
1:15:18
work so I'm really on the fence on this one my own question and I can't even
1:15:23
answer my own question have to um so if I had to answer it I'd probably go with
1:15:29
more luck because I because I wouldn't want it deterministic because it wouldn't be very fun no me either but
1:15:36
I'd have if I had to it' have to be that um because I don't think have you had deterministic you wouldn't be fun
1:15:41
anymore it wouldn't cuz you the theme you know the pattern of it you just solve it it would feel too solvable yeah
1:15:47
absolutely uh and I've played games that are a bit like that where they're a bit where they're a bit too solvable like that and that doesn't do it for me and I
1:15:53
like I like that there so many different plates that are spinning in Frost Punk that you need to try and balance and all
1:15:59
of them well a lot of them are just luck based that I've been presented to you that you've got to deal with um so yeah
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I guess I'd have to choose luck because I wouldn't choose deterministic that's fair yeah Mr
1:16:13
curlyy my favorite game is anacron woo
1:16:18
woo I feel like I was just thinking I feel like the majority of the mechanics in anacron are determinist yeah like
1:16:26
there's very little luck elements there all right there's luck with
1:16:31
what and what dice you roll on the science track and stuff Super Tracks but
1:16:36
actually all of those are kind of sub parts to it you know they're not the main mechanics of the game um so I think
1:16:45
the expansions do that and I quite like that I agree I I
1:16:51
didn't particularly when I first played it with ujp and it wasn't do with you it was just because of the first time I played it I wasn't a massive fan of the
1:16:59
mission one the mission exp what is it called again I always forget the name of it
1:17:04
it's not pioneers of the earth that's the one with the the track that is the is it doomsday module is the oh no no it
1:17:11
is p of the Earth yeah yeah is p of the Earth yeah but since I've played again I've gotten used to that mechanic I've
1:17:17
really like it and that's all totally random [ __ ] yeah it is just totally random [ __ ] yes you can help yourself a bit like you were saying with
1:17:23
agency to do a lot but you can stack the cars and get more if you put more breakthroughs on your so the answer to the question is probably more luck more
1:17:32
luck yeah I think so yeah just because I'm quite happy with that I think again due to deterministic being a potential
1:17:38
lack of variety I think one thing that anacron does well is all the different modules and expansions add variety and I
1:17:44
really like that yeah so yeah let's go with more luck a luck based Anon
1:17:49
expansion how would they do it how would they do it yeah yeah I think I don't think I
1:17:56
would go I think I would go determin go the other way luck for me I I thought
1:18:01
fractures of time right I thought yeah just bit look in there it's the dice and the glitch die and I thought I hang on a
1:18:06
minute and now the glitch die determines like whether you've taken the piss and then therefore decides
1:18:13
where the glitch goes so actually would it screw you again
1:18:19
you it's pushy yeah it's pushy um I don't think I don't think fractur is massively l it's not it's no no not not
1:18:26
but it's pushy look there wasn't it but there's a pushy look element in there any don't mind that so yeah yeah no look
1:18:32
look basic basically adding kitos uh into an acony i I'd like that idea just
1:18:38
just some random nonsense random [ __ ] time yeah yeah Fair Play Place
1:18:44
you nice we all done yeah yeah awesome sauce and now on to our penultimate turn
TURN 5 - Penultimate Turn: What's Coming Up
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[Music]
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so guys what have we got that's coming up so um T what you got coming up um so
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we believe we've got the arc campaign coming up for facts I've enjoyed ARs and um I think this gives a bit more
1:19:13
elements to it doesn't it bit more um I'm looking at JP if we know because we haven't played it yet no we haven't nonsense I think nonsense the blighted
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Reach campaign it's called blighted reach yeah three games three sessions
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this whole three sessions campaign I like that's right that's doable is it yeah I don't do a Gloom Haven like 50
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billion hour no I'm done with that done but now we're we're looking forward to I think we've had to rearrange it twice
1:19:40
because of Life once was me actually as once was your fault another one might have been mine would it Davey yeah let's
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blame him let's it was Davy's fault both times yeah yeah definitely fair but I'm looking forward to seeing what it does
1:19:54
space ARS is as we said is unique it's it's it's different as a game and it's quite nice one and done everyone swears
1:20:00
it's done shake hands off you go but this campaign I think just going to add I know it's a little bit little bit of
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spice more salt more spice about negotiate you well yeah cuz
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there's there's a whole bit where you've got the Empire it's like a neutral
1:20:19
faction that sits on the the map and you're all Regents of the Empire not Star Wars Empire no no no
1:20:25
they're nice Empire and then you've got these uh these tokens on the board that called the blight and they're like the
1:20:31
the I SP like voidborn if you think about it in that respect and at any time
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you can become an outlaw and say I do not want to get involved in this Empire and Regency ways I'm out of the club um
1:20:45
which means then you can attack anyone do whatever you want because if you're as part of this you know Regency um you can't attack other the
1:20:51
players where the Empire exists and it stops you from being completely noobish
1:20:57
oh this this game does sound right at my street and then there's there there is a bit of a political bit that happens in
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there and you can do trades and and Deals and and all the while everyone's playing asymmetric uh factions of which
1:21:11
all start off probably similar to the lead leaders and law of the base game but as the campaign progresses depending
1:21:18
on if people have like crashed and burnt or done whatever these things ramp up like to the point where you third game
1:21:25
if you if you've like naffed your first and second gameit hand you're going to get one of the most powerful factions
1:21:33
it's called a cclass in the whole game where all you need to do yeah you need to get one Victory point and fulfill
1:21:40
your objective and you auto win what yeah and it's like it's this whole why
1:21:46
yeah it's it's it's to stop you with any campaign of of playing a game and then
1:21:52
not doing so great there's no catch up mechanic and you're off you're behind so
1:21:58
this kind of keeps everybody in the race to the end and because it's only three games long it's not like it's the end of the world but no I think the best way to
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play this is uh is like a TI start start in the morning go for it what and do all
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three games yeah Fair Let's Do It um but let's see we might do it like CU we're
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doing Friday on whenever we're playing Friday there something um something and
1:22:21
if it's like actually that was quite quick to get game two in straight after
1:22:27
or we or we we do a two and three finale yeah exactly I would like to do that with perseverance and play one after the
1:22:33
other when three and four come out yeah we're doing the perseverance weekend campaign yeah one two Saturday 3 4
1:22:39
Sunday I'm I'm I am in for that yeah I'm in that sounds sexual I'm in sign me up
1:22:45
I don't care if I'm busy doing nothing I don't care I'm in yeah fair enough it's my ideal for some yeah nice I'm looking
1:22:53
forward to it t yeah yeah me too um JP what about you yeah for me uh we talked about it already
1:23:00
it's Twilight Imperium isn't it it's it's coming up it's coming up it's coming up it's coming up it's there it's
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there nice um Emirates of hakan what's to to say we're going to get together
1:23:13
it's going to be before Christmas it is and it's going to have a Rudy good time I'm looking forward to it yeah two STP
1:23:19
cards four player game two STP cards four player how many how many uh we
1:23:24
drawing four oh bloody out really four each go on yeah come on we usually do
1:23:30
play yeah we do yeah go on so this this when you get two could do six four I'm keing on six
1:23:37
six is probably a bit crazy yeah do four Four's four I'm keing on for Four's fine for good to have a bit of choice do the
1:23:43
draft beforehand yes you can see who you want to be research the abilities all that game on bit of bit of TI let's
1:23:51
let's get into it Curly's going to cook us a nice roast dinner it's going to be it's going to be good time yeah sure
1:23:56
let's do it I'm jealous yeah he's he's not the roast no I mean about PL not cooking the roast dinner yeah give you a
1:24:02
poring if you like nice curing what are you up to what's coming up well game on you said game on
1:24:10
Game of Thrones yes and Peter
1:24:17
Dinklage Peter dinkle no things yeah Game of Thrones uh yeah we got a game planned in soon um Dan's hosting that
1:24:25
one and yeah really looking forward to it I'm gonna bring my little finger I like to do it at least once or twice a year and and it's been JP it's got be a
1:24:33
year is it yeah at least it's got to be it's got to be a one at least one a year
1:24:38
at least same me TI that's why why they're kind of on the end of the year I want to play it but you're silly and
1:24:43
you're playing on a Sunday night and you're stupid for it and I don't like it you're not real busy anyway aren't you
1:24:49
no I've got panto I think oh yeah you did say yeah you're panto oh no he hasn't I think oh
1:24:55
I think it's a slight overlap and I just couldn't get to yours on time I did say to you you should just bin that [ __ ] off
1:25:01
and then yeah yeah right yeah that's how that's how kids and family work yeah
1:25:06
yeah yeah I'm really sure that Vicki would have no problem with although I did get out of fireworks night did you
1:25:13
did you did mattcon mattcon priority so Matt if you're listen how dides that go down it's fine yeah see yeah nice you
1:25:20
know why it's cuz matcom was already in the diary first organiz JP so if you get things in the
1:25:27
diary first and then you decide to do something well what about this weekend JP we all know it wasn't in the diary
1:25:33
but panto got in quite early sh's good on panto she's she's she gets it in she knows
1:25:38
what she knows where your your diary gets nice I like panto it's fun kids
1:25:44
kids it's fun isn't it yeah yeah but yeah Game of Thrones uh unfortunately missing out on JP but we're going to
1:25:49
have a good time anyway in we mate so give curly barians with the targaryan map you love it
1:25:54
he loves you know what I quite like the challenge actually but if you but other
1:26:00
people have got to leave you alone if people pick on you and you've got the dragons poking in the ass as well and it's just like right do you want me to
1:26:07
do you want me to sort these lot out leave leave me leave me alone I'll my game just I'll beat them up and then and
1:26:13
then everyone's like well I might yeah let's agree to that and then stab you in the
1:26:19
back stby [ __ ] guys guys stop it stop it
1:26:25
I've never played Game of Thrones with you yet I'm looking forward to it I hope I'm close to you on the map I hope you
1:26:30
are too cuz you're [ __ ] a b games a what a little bastard yeah but you don't know how I am
1:26:36
at Game of Thrones I can guess whatever loud very loud yes very loud by the way
1:26:44
I'm I'm only jesting Dan is very good at ball games I'm not that great though am I there you are depends what it is yeah
1:26:50
some yeah Game of Thrones I've never played you a Game of Thrones so we'll see we'll see looking forward to it I am looking forward to it too nice what
1:26:56
about you pal uh I am funny you mention it playing Nemesis in a couple of weeks
1:27:01
with you and and a couple of others uh with a a new person as well so they'll get a full teach um and it's been again
1:27:09
it's one of those games that are like Game of Thrones and like TI where it only comes to the table about I say one
1:27:14
probably probably a bit more than them to but not much more like one to three times a year um I do I do like playing
1:27:20
it it's one of those games that is not a Euro game that's just kind of hold a
1:27:25
little special place in my heart really um and it's is a good game I'm looking forward to playing the new one when's
1:27:31
that coming that's coming soon isn't it with the modular board yeah cuz you back it um so I'd be intrigued to give that
1:27:37
one to go with the modular board me too it's the first pure trash game that I absolutely loved first one I it's just
1:27:44
alien in the Box isn't it and it's just it's just great it's just really really good um for me it was like it's like if
1:27:50
aliens had like a baby with dead of winter M and made it better yeah it's
1:27:56
interesting I feel like JP's done with it yeah I still play it I just I feel like you're right I feel like I've uh I
1:28:04
don't need to own it anymore right and I've play I've played a lot of Nemesis and we had a blast with it and it's it's
1:28:11
a great game completely still think it is a great game but I know T's got it and I know like if ever want to play it
1:28:17
it's still available in the group so sometimes I do this with my with my games I have to kind of it has to
1:28:23
justify space on the shelf and it's not because I think it's a bad game it's just actually I think there are probably
1:28:29
better ones for me that I can fill that space with and I can still access it so yeah I remember when it first came out
1:28:35
and it blew up every was absolutely over it we had such a blast we have so many
1:28:40
good game nights with it because just you know so many memories that game creates yeah um and stories that it
1:28:47
tells it's just it is fantastic and the fact you you're talking about it I'm like might I might be up for a game soon
1:28:54
still one of my favorite moments in ball gaming is when you shut my little brother in to that a and open it with a
1:29:01
little maal laugh he wasn't happy I know he wasn't that's what made it even better S did
1:29:08
you make the sound effects you must have done bye that was on lockdown though
1:29:16
wasn't it basic on the surface of Mars he was blown out into the atmosphere no
1:29:21
oxygen like an SPS Egger tell his eyes started yeah I watched it I watched it a
1:29:28
couple weeks ago one of my favorite films of all time get your ass to B on
1:29:35
now I love it we did all that but yeah it was a good moment good time moment I
1:29:40
think I got you back at the next time we played as well didn't I yeah a grudge yeah I you know just because it was
1:29:47
funny that's what you do is it oh good times wrap this up let's do it let's do it with that our final turn is wrapping
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