Becky  0:27  
Welcome to Whose turn is it anyway, podcast all about our gaming group and the board games we love. I'm Becky and this is my last turn as first play for a little while and today I'm joined by Tambo. 

Tambo  0:36  
Hello,

Becky  0:36  
 Kris

Kris  0:37  
Hello

Becky  0:37  
And Rob

Rob  0:38  
 Hi. 

Becky  0:39  
And also an interloper for a little while, JP 

JP  0:41  
Sneaky sneaky. 

Becky  0:43  
Snuck in. We didn't close the door quick enough and here he is

JP  0:46  
I told you not to record at my house. You can't get rid of me. Location.

Becky  0:51  
How is everyone today? 

Rob  0:52  
Really good.

Kris  0:54  
Yeah, yeah. 

Rob  0:55  
Awesome.

Becky  0:56  
Yeah, I'm feeling a bit jangly, just got back from London. 

JP  0:59  
Likewise, 

Becky  1:00  
As has JP, we happened to bump into each other on the platform. Not that we were realising we were gonna go there at the same time.

JP  1:06  
Not like we had a secret rendezvous that we didn't tell Kerley about.

Becky  1:09  
We didn't know about it ourselves. So yeah, I'm feeling over caffeinated and jangling

JP  1:15  
I'm just hung over

Becky  1:15  
So I guess if it everyone's all good, let's crack on into it.

So let's talk about hex. What have we all been up to lately, board game wise? Rob, I'm going to start with you.

Rob  1:35  
I've been playing Too Many Bones because well, yeah, it's amazing. JP put three events in I managed to get a one, and somehow ended up on all three. It's awesome. It's such a good game to the point where I'm seriously considering buying it

Becky  1:53  
Ooh investing into it

Rob  1:55  
Yeah, so he's got the new poker chip health pile, which just makes... it's so stupid having better quality chips.

Becky  2:04  
No, mate. I'm all, I'm all... I agree with you. It makes all the difference.

Rob  2:07  
Feels so good.

JP  2:08  
It's not stupid. It's amazing.

Rob  2:11  
Whatever justifies the purchase, but no, loved it. We had three games of varying campaign lengths. We went up against the boss that absolutely destroyed us one time a long time ago. And we absolutely decimated him. So yeah, it was quite fun. Really enjoyed it. And I if I had one game to play for the rest of my life, I think it'd be Too Many Bones.

Becky  2:34  
Wow. Descent has been blown out of the water. Yeah,

Rob  2:37  
It's so damn good. Not that there's anything wrong with the Descent, but it's just... Too Many Bones is fantastic.

Descent's cheaper. And that's saying something as it's not a cheap game

By about 800 percent

JP  2:49  
If you go in about the whole collection, it's definitely cheaper. But that has been good fun, isn't it? What Tyrants de we go up against? You have to remind me.

Rob  2:58  
Leech 

JP  2:59  
Leech. He's a bit of a knob isnt he?. Yeah, we managed to get him.

Rob  3:04  
Yeah. That's the guy who decimated us the first time. Like it wasn't even funny. I can't remember the other two. It's your game dude.

JP  3:12  
Yeah, well, Volkesh is big dragon thing. We we took him down. And then there's another one. I just can't remember. It was great fun. Yeah,

Becky  3:20  
I'm determined to play the next one.

Rob  3:21  
Its such a good game. We played for five and a half hours, something like that. 

Becky  3:26  
Wow. 

Rob  3:26  
Didn't feel that long. Really didn't feel that long. It was it was really good fun.

Becky  3:31  
Well, it looks like me and Kris need you to put another event in then

JP  3:34  
I'll prioritise you both. Oh no, I'm going to have to play it again!

Becky  3:38  
Kris, how about you? What have you been up to?

Kris  3:40  
I haven't been playing many games lately, but I have gone into Scythe a lot. In that I've been playing solo play. Just been trying to perfect one game rather than just doing lots of other games and then just getting to know it really? And then in the hope that I might beat your good husband at some point.

Becky  3:59  
Well, we all live in hope of that mate. I've not managed it so far. 

JP  4:02  
I've got a few wins though off other games lately.

Becky  4:07  
Yeah, yeah. He isn't on such a winning streak.

JP  4:11  
Fallen from grace.

Kris  4:13  
About time.

Rob  4:13  
Do you know how much this drives him mad that we make out that he wins at everything?

JP  4:18  
Because it's, it's not true. It absolutely isn't true. But it's become the meta of our group that he wins everything. I looked at the stats once I think we...

Kris  4:27  
Hang on you keep stats??

JP  4:28  
I keep stats. Yeah. So I looked at like Terraforming Mars for example. And actually, he doesn't have the highest win percentage on that. So yeah, it's just one of those things that we all say it, is not true. 

Becky  4:39  
We say it because it winds him up, absolutely. Is it a really different experience playing it solo than playing it in a group, or pretty much the same game just...

Kris  4:51  
It is the same game you're playing against the app or to make it easier for the admin and stuff and everything, still takes quite a while. And you still realise what you did wrong...

Rob  5:03  
Just about three turns later you realise

Kris  5:06  
I found myself watching videos of people playing Scythe as well now on YouTube, now I'm going in deep. Possibly the world championships of Scythe as well. 

That's a thing, right? 

And then yeah, there is. And then there's this guy talking about his win and talking through his moves during the game, playing and watching it and stuff. Yeah.

Becky  5:31  
You want to use that newfound knowledge and play a multiplayer game then?

Kris  5:36  
Yeah, that and I just got the little metal Mechs now to use 

Becky  5:40  
It's all about upgraded tokens. You're not the only one Rob, upgraded tokens is the way forward

JP  5:44  
That is such a con though, isn't it? The whole metal Mechs? Because you have to buy a set of one each. 

Yeah. And then you have to get four of each,

Becky  5:54  
That sounds like you need to go via Etsy or some other third party

Rob  5:57  
Or somebody with a 3d printer maybe.

Becky  5:59  
I wonder who that could be? Tambo, how about you? What have you been I wentplaying lately?

Tambo  6:05  
Yeah. So went on holiday this week, so my brother bought along a game called Apollo, which is a dice drafting game. It's good fun. Someone's obviously Houston, you know, NASA. So you have like a board, bit like your setup there, like but you've got a board, which has got a cockpit and you've got the three astronauts. And then you can have up to four players. So we just play the two player. So ones in Houston, and ones the astronaut. You have nine dice you roll them, and then you put them on where the systems are getting all malfunctions, and then they look at it from Houston just puts down the markers. And then he can't communicate unless he spends a token. So you've got to spend, put a dice on there to grab communication token so he can talk to you and say what systems are bad, and he can only say certain phrases. Yeah, that was really good fun. I mean, I'm all into my space games anyway. Yeah. And every time we put a dice down there, that should be good. The orbit around Earth. First one is the smaller one. That's one board. And then the shuttle moves. So when you put those on, the shuttle moves, and then you have to repair systems, you have to do tasks, which is all like getting large straights with the same colour dice as you kind of dice.

Becky  7:09  
Okay, so sort of like Yhatzee, kind of depending on what you roll and the groups you make.

Tambo  7:12  
And then when you say the dice doing your missions, and you got to do the missions and certain points before it gets around to some point around Earth. Otherwise you fail. Yeah, it's really, really quite good fun. I wouldn't recommend it as a four player though, it'd be a bit like when we talk about Pandemic, if you just discuss where you put the dice and if you're not a very strong player, you're just gonna get overruled by someone else, so it's best play two players.

Yeah, that sounds that sounds pretty good.

I've got a question. Yeah. How many times does someone say 'Houston, we have a problem!'?

I said it once. Houston we have a problem.

Becky  7:51  
So and I finally got Ian to play a board game. So he came around to ours, and we played Ark Nova, just two players, because Kerley was playing the new content of the World of Warcraft release thing on his PC. Wrath of the Lich King. Yeah, some non cardboard related game.

JP  8:09  
Non analog gaming?

Becky  8:10  
I know. I know. So yeah, me and Ian played a two player. And he really enjoyed it. And I'd forgotten how well it plays as a two player because there's a lot less kind of contention for all of the stuff. And it meant that because he was learning, it wasn't me that was holding the game up. So that was quite nice experience for me. You know, we were both being able to take our time and having a bit of AP was alright. And that was yeah, that was really, really fun. I think I'm still... I agree with you Tambo with this one. I still think the scoring is just too harsh. It's just too polarised.

Tambo  8:41  
It's too sad

Becky  8:41  
Like, yeah, it does. So like when someone gets a minus score. It's just so heartbreaking. Heartbreaking. Yeah. And I think, because I've played a few times, I should have absolutely wiped the board with him. But I did... I think I've learned a bit more that you need to kind of time yourself a bit better. So I definitely improved on that. But it's one of my favourite games with all those, you know, pros and cons about it. It's still one of my favourite games. I really like it. And I played with the little giraffe pieces, which is nice. Because normally, Kerley's brother Jay plays with the yellow pieces. So I got to play with the yellow ones. That was good. 

Rob  9:16  
I still haven't played it, 

Becky  9:18  
Well, mate, we can get it in the list. It's a good game. It's a really good game

Rob  9:22  
Watching the single tear roll down town Tambo's face after talking about the score. I'm not sure I want to

Becky  9:28  
The thing is, the game end is triggered when... you've got two different scoring tracks that are kind of going like a half circle. One starts at one end, one starts at the other, when they meet in the middle... That's when the game has ended. Some people haven't even met in the middle yet. So they're gonna get a minus score. And it's just... I think they should have invented a better way however, you know,

JP  9:50  
See, it never bothers me, because it's just the way the scoring works, but I get it, like if you've gone through all that work and then someone's saying your zoo's shit because it's like minus 23 points, whereas other people 'like yeah, you won a 10 points', it's kind of weird, because that's not how we're used to kind of dealing with victory points in a game. But the end of the day, the victory points in that game is not reflective of your kind of engine that you've built. It's reflective of who's timed the win.

Becky  10:18  
Yes. This is it. And I definitely... I have definitely improved with that. Like I dragged it out another turn in order to get another lot of stuff and that yeah, that really worked well.

Rob  10:28  
Did you win? 

Becky  10:29  
I did yeah, 

Rob  10:31  
Ian you suck!

Becky  10:33  
It's cos Kerley wasn't playing, but there we are

JP  10:36  
Did he enjoy it?

Becky  10:37  
He did. Yeah, he really liked it. And he said it was the correct level of crunchiness, which I thought it probably would be for him because I think we've got a similar level of enjoyment on crunchiness of games. So yeah, yeah, it is really good. So JP, how about you?

JP  10:51  
Yes. Well, the reason why I've snuck onto your episode, and I will leave you to it, I promise. About three weeks ago, four weeks ago, I got to play Lacrimosa which is a game by Devir games. And basically, you got to play it before Essen happened, obviously Essen's behind us now, isn't it? Behind us. It's essentially a game all about Mozart. And if anyone is up on their classical music, I am not. I'm gonna butcher this completely because I know nothing about classical music. 

Rob  10:54  
So uncultured

JP  10:57  
I know, but classical music to me is Metallica, classical music. Master of Puppets

Rob  11:27  
I think that's a Classic.

JP  11:28  
Oh it's a classic, same thing. Yeah, of course, but Lacrimosa is this Unfinished Symphony, he wrote, or began to write before he died. And essentially, the game is all about you appealing to his wife. It's a strange theme, appealing to his wife. We gave them kind of the stories of Mozart that you've you've had in the past. And obviously, it's just a Euro game, it's just a tacked on theme. But essentially, you're kind of doing various different actions in the game. And it's got some really cool player boards that if you like your aesthetics and games, the player boards are like these books that open up 

Becky  12:04  
Ooohhh!

JP  12:05  
And in the player boards.... yeah Becky's already excited. In the player boards, you've got the four slots at the top, four spots at the bottom where your cards slide in literally into the board itself. And essentially on your go, you pick two of your cards out of your hand of  five, and then you put one on the top, put one in the bottom, the top ones your action, you're going to do, the bottom one's the resources you're going to get at the end of the round. The production for next round. And you can do all sorts of different things like commission opuses, all the different songs, songs?

Becky  12:36  
Pieces

JP  12:36  
I call them songs. Pieces, yeah. Really, really doing Mozart down here, his 'songs' that he wrote. You can commission pieces, you can kind of travel around Europe, which is like this communal Mozart token you use to go around, and essentially get different tiles etc. You can perform your songs, you can sell them. Keep calling them 'songs' again! You perform your pieces, you can sell your pieces. But yeah, it's typical Euro kind of style effect done really well. And at the bottom of the board, it's got some really nice kind of song sheet music where you can put your different tokens on the bottom. It's kind of like an area control thing going on there. It's really good. Like, I won't say I was surprised, because it's been getting a lot of kind of buzz in the industry, but very, very fun to play. It's perfectly midweight. So it's not too 'oh my god, my head's gonna implode in on itself'. It's just a joy. Like, you can literally pick it up. And it's kind of amazing how quickly you can get your head around it and off you go. So yeah, really, enjoyed it, if you like that kind of classical music, airy kind of stuff. I've not seeing that theme in any board games before either, which is quite nice.

Rob  13:44  
It does just go to show there isn't a theme that a board game company will not touch. Everything is open.

Kris  13:52  
Makes you wonder if we can make up our own. Come up with some idea, obscure, a board game about doing a board game about doing a podcasts about a board game.

Becky  14:01  
I'm sure there's a boardsgame about doing a podcast if we look hard enough, I bet there is. Will you buy the game? That's the question.

JP  14:08  
Will I buy it? I think...

Rob  14:09  
Of course he will!

JP  14:12  
I'm not, and the reason is because Kerley is going to I think.

Becky  14:14  
Yay, we're gonna have it anyway that's fine

JP  14:16  
You know your husband. He's a big lover of classical music.

Becky  14:20  
He is yeah, I agree. Yeah.

JP  14:23  
I was talking to him about it. And he's like, 'oh?' So we're gonna play it at Gridcon, I've hired it out for Saturday morning at Gridcon, and we're gonna give it a go. 

Becky  14:32  
Excellent. 

JP  14:32  
He'll buy it.

Yeah. It sounds good

Rob  14:36  
If you could see JP's face right now.

JP  14:39  
I've bought enough

Rob  14:40  
He's so smug that somebody else is buying a new game.

Becky  14:45  
Talking about Essen, I've been watching quite a lot of footage on YouTube of people's, you know, trips there. Makes me really sad and really want to be there. But it's making me excited for hopefully, hopefully if we do like a little trip next year...

JP  15:00  
We've got our hotels booked!

Becky  15:03  
I haven't managed to book the annual leave yet because I can't book it yet, but it's happening. I have downloaded Duolingo and I'm starting to learn German, so I have to go because I need to be the one that orders the food

Rob  15:15  
Saves me a job

Becky  15:16  
Okay, so I'm on day 11 of learning German, can say useful stuff.

JP  15:22  
Wunderbar

Becky  15:23  
Something I forgot to mention. We also received the big old storage box for Everdell. 

JP  15:28  
Oh it's huge isn't it!?

Becky  15:30  
And it came with the New Leaf and the Mistwood expansions. Yeah, the storage box. It's an absolute dream.

JP  15:36  
 More expansions? 

Becky  15:37  
Yeah, yeah. But the good thing about it is it's been really beautifully designed, like, they've really thought about it. Everything fits in perfectly. And it's like organised in such a way that you could pick which expansion you want to add in? Or ones you don't. It came just after I finished a night shift. So it was the perfect sort of 'sorting out, nice thing to do with your brain that isn't too taxing but fun'. So yeah, really recommend.. if anyone likes Everdell, The big old storage boxes. It's worth getting. It's beautiful. And it does fit on a Kallax as long as your kallax is slightly away from the wall. Because it is massive. It's fine. Yeah. So that rounds off all that we have been up to the last little while. I guess we should crack on with the main topic.

JP  16:23  
And I'll love you and leave you

Becky  16:32  
Today we're talking about the game Unfathomable and its predecessor, Battlestar Galactica, or BSG, which we'll probably refer to it from now on, because 'Battlestar Galactica' is a bit of a mouthful, isn't it? So um, BSG was released in 2008 by Fantasy Flight Games. It's a hidden enemy semi cooperative games set in the TV series sort of world Battlestar Galactica. Each player has their own set of skills available to them, and you have to kind of work together to expose the naughty Cylon. Which from the middle point in the game there is definitely one of, you have to basically attempt to wiggle them out. Yeah, before they can manage to sabotage the mission. Exactly the same in the new reiteration of the game, but it's now called Unfathomable, just with sort of different theming kind of tacked on really, isn't it? Unfathomable is set in the Arkham Horror universe like Mansions of Madness and Arkham Horror, that kind of thing. And this time you're on a steamship rather than a Galactic Spaceship, travelling from Britain to America, and the baddies are like Cthulu naughty sea monsters, as opposed to robotic Cylon people. So each player has like a turn and you've moved, then a crisis card is revealed. And each player adds card on their hand to resolve the crisis. Some of the cards will help and some can hinder but because you add them face down, nobody else knows. 

And two randoms are put in as well, aren't they?

Yeah, so no one knows who's trustworthy or not. Because you can always blame the 'Oh, well, that card must have come from the random deck'. Cue lots of accusations and finger pointing, usually at poor Tambo. Well, he actually, yeah, well, he has to defend his occasional innocence because sometimes he's not bad, but...

So what are our first sort of thoughts about this game? Either/or?

Rob  18:21  
It's not even about the game. Just the interaction around the table.  I don't think I've played a game that does it better.

 I thoroughly agree. 

Everyone has a little niggling distrust of everyone. And the longer the traitors can stay hidden, the messier this gets. The amount of times JP has been thrown in prison or the brig. Actually, he's done nothing wrong. I remember once he had a bad dice roll when he got put in the put in the brig. Because the dice rolled, and a ship blew up. Nothing he could do, complete random chance and he was put in the brig. Yeah. It's just brilliant. The accusations that fly around the table and of course, the more you protest your innocence, the guiltier you are. And it's just the... like you say the interactions. The conversations around the table are just absolutely wonderful. I think the first time we played it, we finished at about half past two in the morning.

It was difficult because it was the first game I ever bought. And I was learning it and we were all trying to learn it and we're all not trusting each other.

Didn't help that's we'd played Game of Thrones the game before that

Kris  19:47  
A theme was coming out that we like to sort of hidden things and backstabbing, and we do. The weirdest thing... you carry on your, your injustices that have been done against you to the... to the next game hold

Becky  20:01  
Yep, you hold on to them. Absolutely. The grudges.

Kris  20:03  
To the point where no one trusts anyone, even to make a cup of coffee. Oh, I do love it. Yeah, it has a special place in my heart because it was the first game I bought.

Becky  20:16  
So what was it about it that made you buy it? Had you heard good stuff? Did you... was it just the IP that you liked Battlestar Galactica, therefore you were buying it? What was it? 

Kris  20:24  
I'd like to say that I'd done all my research, but I'm a geek at heart. And I love Battlestar Galactica from the 70s when I, I would have seen it as a kid in the 80s. And then they revamped it in the early 2000s, I think. Yeah, I've always loved Battlestar Galactica, so I just bought it on a whim. And it's just luck that we've all taken it to our hearts.

Becky  20:49  
Yeah. So the expansion, you're quite sort of famous for your Italian version that you found. So there was an expansion. It went out of print, it was very difficult to get

Kris  20:59  
There's three expansions as far as I know. And yeah, they all went out of print. You can get them for hundreds of pounds or hundreds of dollars if you're willing to go to America and get them and stuff. I thought I was doing something like trying to get around it. I bought an Italian version on Amazon for peanuts thinking... Because I'm a sign writer, I can make my own cards. As long as you can find a screenshot of what the cards say in English.

Becky  21:32  
How did that go for you?

Kris  21:34  
It went pretty well. It was an extensive search took a long time, and then made this beautiful re-faced copy of the Italian version. There was a couple of little things which I couldn't translate over.

Rob  21:48  
I don't remember it being a massive issue. No, you knew when you had an Italian card, but it wasn't really a problem.

Kris  21:55  
The biggest problem was that I'd forgotten to... in the separating of the two packs, in my neatly organising them into different boxes, but then you have to merge the two to play the game. I'd left out some of the conflict cards. So that we played virtually a whole game. Yeah,

Tambo  22:15  
We remember that one.

Kris  22:17  
Then those Cylons turned up

Tambo  22:19  
Turned out very difficult still. Yeah, I mean, even without the bad cards.

Kris  22:22  
Yeah, I just think it added to the game, to be honest. 

Becky  22:26  
Why was it so difficult?

Tambo  22:27  
Because you still... we still have to do the events at the bottom every time, and then you still lose your food, your fuel. 

Becky  22:33  
Okay, 

Tambo  22:33  
So we were still, like, in the red, even though we didn't have any encounters. 

Kris  22:36  
It was like a pacifist version of Battlestar Galactica, we were all happy.

Tambo  22:41  
Well, we stuck them in the bottom of the deck. We had four cards left, we thought we'd just shuffle them inbetweento be fair

Rob  22:48  
Well Kris, your game setting up skills are notorious.

Tambo  22:52  
What was the other one you forgot to do?

Kris  22:53  
So that that was the second one that you keep reminding me about. I don't know why. But yeah, the first time was round Rob's house. Beautiful..

Rob  23:03  
Beautiful, sunny day, we're playing in the conservatory, and we all decided it's too hot. So we all went outside. I played as a character that doesn't turn up until the second round. So I was on the barbecue. So I was cooking food while these guys were going around the table. And I think I declared as a Cylon,

Kris  23:26  
We had had many hours of play where we were all enjoying the game, not trusting each other, thinking the worst time to play the game. When Yeah,

Rob  23:38  
I declared, Chris declared, then JP said 'Well, I'm a Cylon aswell' when there's only a maximum of two Cylons

Kris  23:47  
It depends on the number count, but in that game, there should have been just two, and it's just basically yeah, just one tiny little error 

Becky  23:55  
One tiny error that is literally the whole game!

Kris  23:58  
I'd basically sorted out...at the start of the game, you put a deck that's loaded with the two Cylons, plus your normal people 'you're not a Cylon' cards, and I picked up the wrong pile.

Becky  24:10  
So let that be a lesson to you all, guys when you're setting up the game make sure you pick up the right pile

Kris  24:15  
And you've never let me forget!

Rob  24:16  
But the thing is, even though that happened, we still had such a great time playing it and it was so much fun. Obviously all the accusations flying around the table and it was still really really good fun. But every... I mean how many times have we played it and it's come down to we've literally just gone dice roll at the end. Because it is so close when it happens,

Kris  24:40  
Whether it's down to our crap play, or just the fact that we're just so focused on trying to put people in the brig when they're totally innocent

Rob  24:49  
Because you can jump early but you have to roll a dice to see what you would...

Kris  24:55  
To whether you...

Becky  25:01  
Whether you lose a resourse. 

Rob  25:01  
Whether you lose a resource, you can jump early and you roll a dice, and I've played two games where it's come down to: if it's three or below the Cylons win. And if it's, you know, sort of four, five, six, you know, the humans jump and we win. Yeah, we're played two games like that, where it's literally come down to a dice roll at the end. It's every time we've played it, it has been a very well balanced game.

Becky  25:26  
Yeah, I think that's one of its real strengths, isn't it? It's, it isn't absolutely the most difficult game ever, like Mansions of Madness sometimes can be, yet it isn't a complete walk in the park, you almost know you're definitely going to win. I think that's really a really good sign in a semi cooperative game. It does get quite close to the wire.

Kris  25:46  
Someone wins, but just not...

Becky  25:48  
Yeah, not necessarily the you know, the goodies.

Tambo  25:51  
That's a good point as well, when you play the game just so we know. It's good points get good aspect of different characters. Every character is different ability, don't they? So like Starbucks a pilots, it's always good to have a pilot.

Kris  26:01  
Yeah, we went in the setup. And the setup details you choose your characters as a Team Read the political ones that the fighters

Tambo  26:09  
Leadership, leadership was the admiral, he has the nukes, doesn't he? Yeah. So yeah, it's always good to have the nuke so you can fire it and destroy some Cylon ships, then you've got an engineer fixing the ship, is very important. 

Kris  26:20  
There's only one engineer 

Tambo  26:21  
One engineer. I can't remember the character's names. I'm not that into

Becky  26:25  
Whereas I think that's one of the benefits of the Unfathomable version. I think things are a little bit more balanced, because you've got other kinds of roles involved in that game where... so you can kind of pick whichever ones you like, and it'll sort of work. Yeah, so I think maybe Battlestar Galactica does kind of really rely on a fairer distribution of characters. Yes, perhaps? Yeah. Maybe.

Rob  26:54  
If you play as the engineer and you're a Cylon and you're not fixing anything, that can severely hinder the game. Yeah. But yeah, I think Unfathomable, they've done a really good job with the classes. Yeah. He's not too overpowered in one direction. And then like they can do, they can do other things. They might not do it as well, but they can do it. 

Becky  27:15  
Everybody can fix stuff. And I think that kind of makes it a little bit less. Yeah, kind of divisive on 'If you're gonna pick that character. I have to pick this one'. So then that's, that's kind of good. Yeah. I think I really liked the kind of spacey artwork in BSG. That's really cool. But I think the Unfathomable artwork is really... they've done a really good job of making that. Very beautiful, and the miniatures are really cool. Yeah, if you're like me, I don't really care about miniatures. I would rather have a cheaper game uh, not have plastic miniatures, but I know I'm very much...

Tambo  27:46  
They're called the Deep Ones aren't they?. 

Becky  27:48  
Yeah, so you got the Deep Ones 

Tambo  27:50  
They're the little lizard men

Becky  27:51  
Yeah, and a mother Hydra and father Dagon or something. So yeah, these are big massive miniatures, so Maxi minis

Rob  27:59  
Not really miniatures are they?

Becky  28:01  
No, not really. There's nothing miniature about these. No, they're kind of big old hulking, sort of horrible sea monsters

Rob  28:01  
They're about the size of the mug. Oh,

Becky  28:08  
They are, yeah. Massive.

Rob  28:11  
Size of a coffee mug.

Becky  28:14  
I think it's it's a game that doesn't involve a lot of setup, other than Chris's kind of make sure you pick the right pile set-up, I think it is easy. It's not got loads of things you have to sort out you know, it's not like I don't know, Twilight Imperium where you're going to spend all morning setting up the game. It's fairly quick to set up and it's fairly quick to take down which I think is quite a...

Rob  28:34  
Massive plus. 

Becky  28:37  
Yeah. Which I think is good. I can't think how much Unfathomable retails for, but it was quite expensive, but I remember thinking, you know, for lots of miniatures, that's probably okay. Like I said, I would always rather spend less...

Rob  28:51  
It's under £100 though, Yeah,

Becky  28:52  
I think it might be like £60 quid 

Rob  28:54  
I was gonna say about sixty

Becky  28:55  
Yeah, something like that. Something like that. So I think, you know, yeah, that's still a lot of money but the amount of hours of fun you're gonna get out of that sixty quid is definitely worth it. So maybe one day they'll make non miniature versions and just have little standees but I doubt it because they love their miniatures

Rob  29:14  
They are really good quality as well. They're not you know... yes, you're paying money for them, but they are good quality. They look fantastic. Yeah.

Becky  29:24  
I imagine we'll have expansions available at some point. 

Rob  29:29  
I'd imagine so 

Becky  29:30  
Cos that's kind of the point of the re- printing wasn't it? Otherwise they wouldn't have bothered I guess.

Rob  29:33  
So maybe story... different stories, different things? I don't know. Usually these things come with expansions at some point.

Becky  29:40  
Of course they do, just because JP would cry if they didn't

Rob  29:44  
Also one thing they did very well in Unfathomable is that you can actually target the evil player. 

Becky  29:51  
Yes 

Rob  29:52  
You can't kill them, but they get sent to the medical bay

Becky  29:56  
It is harder, isn't it?

Rob  29:58  
Yeah. Whereas you couldn't do that in Battlestar

Tambo  30:02  
You can just send them to the brig couldn't you, and that was it. Until they've said they're a Cylon then they go off the board anyway. So

Rob  30:11  
Whereas that's the difference with Unfathomable, they're obviously... they're ocultist 

Becky  30:16  
They stay on the ship and wreak havoc 

Rob  30:17  
They stay on the ship. So you've got to kind of deal with that, as well as all the other stuff that's going on. Yeah.

Tambo  30:22  
I remember last time Kerley had two pistols and just kept shooting us all. 

Becky  30:27  
Sounds like him

Tambo  30:28  
He just loved every minute of it

Becky  30:30  
But I quite liked it. I was also a Cylon, you see we still say Cylon, don't we? Even when we're playing Unfathomable, we still say Cylon, because it's just... it's just part of the game, isn't it now?. And I think I'm not very good at that kind of lying thing

Rob  30:44  
Oh you did ok!

Becky  30:46  
Maybe that time, but normally, convincingly. I'm not very good.

Rob  30:49  
I think it helped you that we got Ian out on turn one, we've spoken about this already, Ian unfortunately got outted very, very quickly. But that kind of helped you stay hidden. 

Becky  30:50  
Yes, absolutely. 

Rob  30:51  
Cos all our focus was was kind of... it was in the back of our minds that somebody else might be. But of course, because it enabled you to stay hidden for a lot longer, and you caused a lot of havoc by playing the 'I didn't know that was gonna happen'. Yeah.

Becky  31:19  
So there is... there is definite pros about that as well.

Rob  31:22  
We all believed you as well, which is the infuriating thing

Kris  31:25  
Trouble is we will never believe you again. You won that game.

Becky  31:27  
Yeah, yeah. We played it a second... Well, when I played with Kerley, me and him were baddies, and we won that time, even though it came very close. Yeah, it did. Yeah, it did. So maybe I'm taking on the mantle of Tambo's 'always the Cylon'

Kris  31:45  
So you're saying that? I don't believe you!

Becky  31:49  
Be warned guys. This is what it can do to your gaming group

Rob  31:51  
It leaves lasting scars.

Becky  31:55  
I think it's one of its strengths, and it's sort of weaknesses is that it really depends on who you're playing

Kris  32:00  
We're all sitting around this table smiling. That's the thing. 

Rob  32:03  
Yeah, it is good fun.

Becky  32:04  
It's no good for anyone who doesn't feel comfortable with lying to their friends, or being accused of lying or feeling like, kind of, pressure. And I think we've got people in our group that are like that. And I think Unfathomable or BSG is just not for them.

Rob  32:18  
You know, it's in good humour. It's about the game. Yeah, if you're sat around a table with six people, and they're all picking your character flaws, maybe a bit different. Because it's in the context of a game, it's fun

Becky  32:34  
For some people, but I could imagine how if you didn't like that kind of conflict, and sort of... the pressure of having to keep things under wraps that is difficult

Rob  32:43  
I think everyone to a degree likes having a secret that, that they can try and get away with. It's thrilling, isn't it when you, when you put that card in, that you know is going to hurt people, and you're just sat there like, 'Oh, it wasn't me'.

Kris  33:00  
It's slightly disappointing when you get the cards at the start of the game, and you're told you're not a Cylon. Then you realise, 'oh, I can't play that hidden role.

Rob  33:09  
Yeah. it is a little bit like 'oh, oh', but it is fun. Because you get the, you know, it is a whole sort of us-against-them sort of thing. And it's just brilliant. Yeah,

Becky  33:20  
I think... I don't know how well it would be for colorblind people just bringing some of its cons in. I know that sounds really weird, but maybe it's because I always have the board facing the wrong way,for other people. So I'm very much looking at the colours rather than because you've got so you've got stats for things. So like in Unfathomable its strength, influence, lore, that kind of thing. So they are a particular colour. So strength is red, and influence is orange, and they're very closely to  each other in colour in a slightly dimmed room. So we've gotten around that by just calling it muscles, which is strength, it's a little picture of kind of muscles or handshake, which is the kind of influence logo. So I think, because you're very much relying on 'right, now what is the good colours?', 'Oh red one, purple one and green one for this one'. It's really important that you know which ones are good and which ones are bad. Maybe you can use that to your advantage if you're the secret Cylon.

Kris  34:12  
In some way, we've had lots of votes when it's in Battlestar version of it, where you're putting in the reds and the greens and the blues, and to meet the target you have to get and then you know, that there's obviously that hand where there's, there's two cards that might not be helping you from the random deck sort of thing. Yeah, but then you get the Cylon or the occultist is putting in something to put you off, but then that just... because the colours are so similar, it's another thing for them to point out and just say, Oh, I didn't realise, and it just sows more...

Becky  34:49  
Yeah, which is fine when you're doing it on purpose, but if, you know, similar like...the law is purple and the blue is will so again, I just call them books and brains because it's just easier for me to look at the little pictures. So I think if someone has got an issue with colorblindness, actually that might be really difficult. And they might need to sit somewhere that they can actually see the icons. It's just something that I thought about, you know, maybe doesn't affect most of the population. But I wouldn't like to think that anyone was left out of this game because it's so good

Rob  35:16  
The thing is, when you go around doing a skill check, how many times are you going 'Right, so what what's good?'. How many times is that said when you're going round?

Becky  35:25  
Yeah, so I think maybe that actually is a bit of a bit of a weakness of the game. Maybe they need something a bit more....

Rob  35:31  
I think it's more our concentration spans that we can't remember 'red and blue are good' when you've been playing for a few hours.

Becky  35:41  
So do we think we should buy Unfathomable if you already own Battlestar Galactica? What would your opinions be on that?

Rob  35:47  
I'd say yes, personally, because if you like that game, if you'd like that type of game, you're gonna love Unfathomable. Yeah, it brings, it's different enough that it's not a straight, I get the it's a reskin of a game, but they have changed it enough where it's brought in new elements and enough different elements to make it feel like a different game with the same... You know, same hat. That's like... I don't own either. Mainly because you bought Unfathomable, otherwise I would have bought it.

Becky  36:23  
Which one would you have bought then? Having not owned any of them? If you were going to buy one? Which one would you get

Rob  36:29  
This is hard. Because we've had so many good experiences with Battlestar. I think like Kris said, if the expansions were available, yeah.

JP  36:40  
Battlestar's not available, mate

Rob  36:42  
Exactly so I personally would go for Battlestar only because of the experiences that we've had. But if somebody's listening to this and thinking, shall I pull the trigger on that purchase and hadn't played Battlestar? Absolutely, absolutely. I accidentally sold it to someone at UK Games Expo. While we were looking around, these guys were looking at buying it and I just popped in and said... literally just walking by and I was like, 'get it' and they were like, 'what?' 

Unfathomable or Battlestar?

Unfathomable, Unfathomable.

Becky  37:13  
Did you get your commission?

Rob  37:15  
They asked me if I work for the publisher. And I was like 'No, but our guys have got it and it's so much fun'.  I was like if you can get five people around the table, six people, get it. It's fantastic.

Becky  37:25  
Kris would you buy on Unfathomable? Do you think it's worth it?

Kris  37:28  
 No

Becky  37:30  
 So for you the IP makes it worth it.

Kris  37:32  
I just love Battlestar Galactica. And I've read up on the expansions for the Battlestar sort of thing, and I'm not sure if they actually improve... they change the gameplay and stuff and I just, it's just my favourite. Has a favourate place in my heart. I do enjoy it.

Tambo  37:54  
I think it also helps if you really liked the series of Battlestar. If you're a big fan of the series, you're gonna want to buy Battlestar Galactica, isn't it?

Kris  38:00  
Yeah. So I watched it. I think I watched it all when I was a kid when it was very clunky, badly made sci fi with toasters as they were called, the Cylons, which is just big, metallic things, and then soaked up when they remade it. In the 2000s, they made it sexy.

Becky  38:23  
Is that why you bought the game Kris?? Is that why you bought the game?

Kris  38:27  
No! And it was a series of five, I think five series in the end. And it finished. It had a start, middle and end, and it finished. There was no like re-booting or sequals. And it was a brilliant story. And I'm not going to spoil it because I highly recommend anyone go and watch it. I think you've started watching it, Rob, didn't you?

Rob  38:49  
Well, I played the game before I even... before I knew anything about Battlestar. The only thing I knew about was the girl in the red dress. Yeah.

Kris  38:57  
Does draw you in, sort of thing Yeah, for a teenage male

Rob  39:04  
But I knew nothing about it. So after we played the game and had such a good time I started watching it and then I can't remember what happened but I just kind of stopped watching it, I think we moved house and we were without broadband for like three weeks. So that's, that's why, but I loved it. I thought it was great.

Becky  39:24  
So the kind of inverse IP thing. You really liked the game therefore you went and watch the series

Rob  39:28  
Yeah, I think it just made a bit more sense if you knew some of the characters and there's a reason like I was saying, the guy that I was playing didn't turn up until round two, because he doesn't come into it until series two. So that thematically made sense. But it's not a, you know it's not an essential, knowing who these characters are. Because characters in the series that were Cylons didn't know they were Cylons, doesn't matter in the game. Yes, because you

Because you may or may not be a Cylon anyway.

Yeah exactly. It kind of led me to watching the series, rather than the other way around,

Becky  40:02  
Tambo would you buy Unfathomable? If you already ownd Battlestar Galactica, or if you had to pick one, which one would you have?

Tambo  40:07  
I think it probably would be Unfathomable for me. But I'm a big Arkham Horror fan. But I just think it gives a few more aspects better. Yeah, yeah, than Battlestar. I love Battlestar anyway, so it's, it's a hard one. But yeah, definitely probably would buy Unfathomable. The fact that you can just have equipment. In fact, that will makes it quite more exciting. You find guns and different weapons and grenades you throw in the water. It just makes it more fun.

Becky  40:31  
Yeah. I think it's probably... I'm probably in your camp as well. If I didn't own either, I think I'd buy Unfathomable but that is probably just because the expansions are more accessible. Like, like you were saying, Rob, and I think maybe if looking at a greyish star, sci fi, Star Wars, not Star Wars, but things that are set in space thing. If that might slightly put someone off, perhaps you can lure them in with Unfathomable instead. Not that they... I mean, I'm not interested in spacey stuff, particularly, but I love Terraforming Mars. So things that involve space aren't a barrier for me necessarily. But if you don't want to fall down that, you know trope of nerdy sci fi stuff, maybe Unfathomable is the one for you.

Kris  41:18  
Yeah, Unfavourable is like the polished version of Battlestar,

Tambo  41:21  
yeah, which it would be because its a later release. They already knew the game. 

Becky  41:24  
Yeah I guess they've just had a chance to to change things. What would you change about the revamp? Anything?

Kris  41:32  
More spaceships!

Becky  41:38  
You'd put it back in space! Okay. I think I would like... just not have minis I'd have standees, because I don't care about minis. And if it's gonna cost £10 less, I'd rather go for that. But that's probably just me.

Rob  41:51  
I don't think I would, like I say, I think it's great as it is. There's nothing bad about it. Like I  say, most of that game, though, is about player interaction. It's not about... it is about the game. But it's not like... half of it is about the game. Yeah. Which is weird to have a board game, where only half of it is about what's going on the table. It's more what's going on around the table. And no, I wouldn't change a thing about it. I think it's great.

Becky  42:18  
I agree. Yeah, no, I absolutely agree. I like the artwork. I like everything about it, really. So I think we're basically telling everyone to buy one or the other, aren't we really?

Rob  42:27  
Considering you can only buy one...

Tambo  42:31  
Unless you spend hundreds of pounds. 

Kris  42:33  
I could buy Unfathomable and then re sticker it with pictures I found on the internet. 

Becky  42:40  
Perhaps that's maybe, that's your little nichether Kris? Unless anyone think of anything else to say about Unfathomable, I think we've pretty much covered it.

So it's time for our questions. And we always need you guys to write in, please, and give us some questions, because we're currently still using ones from mostly people from our group. So we'd really like to open it out there to everyone. And there will be lots of ways you can do that, which we'll list at the end of the show. So currently, we've got another question from Stewart, thank you, Stewart, you're keeping this little section alive And it's a bit of a lighter question for the group. What is our single biggest influencing factor that got us hooked in gaming and coming back for more? 

Kris  43:30  
JP

Becky  43:32  
Well, that is all our answer really, isn't it?

Rob  43:35  
Praise be our leader,

Becky  43:37  
Commander JP and his vast array of games.

Rob  43:41  
I came from sort of video games, I still play a lot of video games. And so for me, it was about player interaction. It's about the guys around the table. It was, you know, guys that I played online with, that I never really saw. And, you know, when we started playing Arkham Horror, I got to see these guys and sit around the table and have a really good laugh. And then we started playing the bigger games, the Battlestar, the Game of Thrones. And just everyone around the table was just so, like, so nice to be around.

Becky  44:18  
That's really nice. 

It's true, though. As sad as it is like, T, how often did...I lived with Tambo back in the day. You know, how often were we seeing each other because...

Tambo  44:28  
We're getting old, back in the day!

Rob  44:30  
It was like 15 years ago. But like, you know, we played Xbox together, we'd chat, we... but we never really, you know, unless we did like a movie night or something like that. Or you know, God forbid we actually went out in town. Yeah, you know, we very rarely saw each other. Now will we see each other or two three times a month? 

Tambo  44:48  
Yeah

Rob  44:50  
Like you know, and same with same with Chris. And you know, and I met Kerley, Ian, Chris, you know, at the gaming group, and we all kind of got on pretty much from the start. And because we had the focus on the game, it was really easy to talk to people, because you're talking about the game. And then obviously it just kind of went from there. So for me, it was about... it wasn't even about the game that we were playing. It was about the guys around the table in my, my worst moment was probably the Captain Sonar moment.

Becky  45:24  
Yeah, but that's because you couldn't do the thing you like to do. 

Rob  45:27  
It was so much fun. And that's, you know, that's probably the most stressed I've ever been in my life. And it was still funny. Like, you know, because of the guys that were aroud the table. So for me, it's that, you know, meeting up with people, and sort of catching up and playing games.

Nice, so that's very heartwarming, isn't it? Yeah.  And Kris, what's yours?

Kris  45:49  
Mine's exactly the same. In that I've not got a massive social group, that I see, and stuff. And yeah, And this just is a bit of fun, bit of escapism, from humdrum life and work and all that sort of stuff. And yeah, it's just, yeah, you can lose yourself for a few hours.

Becky  46:08  
Yeah, I guess maybe in times gone by people may have been more likely to say, meet down the pub, or something like that. And I think it's really nice to 

Rob  46:17  
I don't think anybody around this table did that!

Becky  46:21  
And that's kind of what I...

Kris  46:21  
I was doing very much the stereotype. 

Becky  46:23  
That's what I was going on to say. And I think that kind of... something you did after work, going to the pub, it isn't really something that people do so much anymore. So it's kind of replacing that, that getting together around a table. And, all right, you've got to focus because you're playing a particular game or whatever. But it's like you just said, it's all about the stuff that goes on around the table. That is what we're interested in having, isn't it, that kind of social interaction in a maybe semi formal way, which means that the pressure's off yeah.

Kris  46:56  
And I want to win something, so want to win something

Becky  47:00  
Okay. So that's, that's another good addition.

Kris  47:03  
I have one win to my name, I believe. Maybe two, two

Rob  47:06  
We've won Battlestar a couple of times, because both me and you were the Cylons for the first two games, and we won them both

Kris  47:07  
Yeah, that wasn't to do with my sacking the cards! It was Viticulture, I won, total by fluke, first time, and there was a Game of Thrones too, which was done on a technicality on the last rule or the last thing. And those are the three/four moments of my life. I will remember 

Becky  47:33  
So you're chasing the high? And you felt it once, and you need to...okay fine. Yeah. Tambo how about you?

Tambo  47:40  
I think it's before my first game with the gaming group. I'll have to say it, been holding my tongue. I was just playing Monopoly and all these basic standard board games. And then when I came in, my first game was the first edition of Mansions. And I thought, 'wow, what a game', I thought there must be so many different kinds of board games out there. So one of the brilliant things that keeps me hooked is all the different board games we get to try. 

Becky  48:01  
Oh ok, the variety then

Tambo  48:03  
And the whole different... like you say, there's an aspect on anything like animals to zoos, like walking dogs, birds, you know, so many different things you can play. And there's just so much going on, it makes you think 'what actually would I enjoy, spaceships or the space games?' Fantastic. Yeah, so if I wasn't in this group, or playing board games, I would never have known what was out there be honest. And that's the whole thing. Now my collections pretty.... getting there. Over, like, three shelves full of games, at the moment

Kris  48:03  
You're extending your house 

Tambo  48:30  
Extending my house, basically dining room, but it's kind of a gaming...

Becky  48:33  
It's not a dining room, it's a gaming room, blatently. 

Tambo  48:36  
So yeah, no, that's the thing, it's just try and play different games all the time. And going back to playing the games we loved as well, and the interaction of people.

Becky  48:44  
Yeah, and I guess mine is a similar thing. So I've known Kerley for... I was very young at the time about 17 or something. So we've known each other for a very long time. And it was something that when we got married, we realised that we had very similar sort of singular hobbies. So he likes a lot of kind of computer gaming, I like kind of hobby stuff, making things fabricating stuff, designing things, which are very singular hobbies. So we realised that we... it was really important that we did something that we could do together. Neither of us are drinkers, neither of us are going out in towners, and we just thought, 'oh, you know', we started playing, like Catan, I think. I think he bought Catan, I think he bought Carcassone, and we realised that this was something that we could make time for. And both enjoy. Alright, they're neither of our favourite games now, because we have definitely gone on to bigger, more, you know, more advanced games, him far more than I have. And I think it was just something that you can do it in order to designate a bit of time to spend with the people you love. And that might not be your partner. It might be your big group of friends. It might be, I don't know, anyone you like, your kids, whatever. It's a really good way of ear-marking time to do something together that you can...

Kris  50:04  
With your husband?

Becky  50:04  
Yeah. I know, I mean I can't help it, he's lovely isn't he? Even though he bloody wins all the time, you know, and he's still always bloody wins all the time. But, well he definitely does when it's just me and him, except for Rummikub, I beat him at Rummikub. And he doesn't want to play anymore. But it isn't really... it is too much random luck, you're picking out of a bag, and that is not going to be his favourite thing is it? But, you know, I take games to work, now to play on night shifts, the kind of job I do, you have to be able to drop everything and run away quickly. Whereas things like, like Rummikub, like cockroach poker, like Anomia, you can drop quickly, and you can just, and it doesn't matter, you know, you haven't had to set up a game for five hours, like, Twilight Imperium or something, it doesn't matter if someone knocks the bits on the floor. You could just kind of get on with it really. So yeah, I think playing games is really, I don't wanna say changed my life. Like it's some kind of massive drama. But it's just definitely added another facet. And I realised during COVID How much I missed meeting up with all you guys and playing games. And that's, that was really nice that we all then got to do it again. And we still do it now all the time. 

Rob  50:05  
Sat in your garage freezing. Yes,

Becky  50:37  
Yes we were!  

Kris  50:44  
It wasn't even the garage

Becky  51:20  
It was a car port! 

Rob  51:23  
God damn, it was so cold and it was so much fun. 

Becky  51:26  
It was wasn't it? It was, and I think, so I think interaction is the common thing with all of it. Like the variety that Tambo, you were saying, it's only good because everyone's playing and everyone's having a different, you know, different experience each time. Oh, how heartwarming, just all a bit nauseous now and go and vomit. But I think probably everyone that plays board games, apart from maybe your very competitive people that are just playing in order to achieve mastery of craft, and want to be good at something, like that particular game. So maybe other than those, probably quite small section of the gaming sort of...

Rob  52:03  
There's an element to it. Everyone wants to win when they're playing a game. Like you know, especially games that go on for, you know, sort of three, four hours, 

Becky  52:09  
That you've invested time in. 

Rob  52:10  
Yeah, you want to win. But if you lose and you enjoy the time with the people, then it's not the end of the world. 

Becky  52:18  
Exactly. 

Kris  52:19  
Everyone's a winner. 

Rob  52:19  
Exactly.

Becky  52:21  
And it's all about participation, right? 

Rob  52:25  
No, no.

Kris  52:28  
Not if you're a Cylon

Becky  52:38  
So it's time for our penultimate turn and things that we've got kind of lined up in the pipeline and ready to be enjoyed soon. I'm still looking forward to playing Astra. When it eventually arrives, there's still no date on it yet, which is a bit upsetting. So the main thing I'm looking forward to is the Zuuli expansion coming out. Hurray. No one's interested in Zuuli apart from me, because you haven't played it, but when you play it, you will like it, I think, I think anyway, it is a little bit like... No, it's nothing like Ark Nova, but it is a little bit like, you know, deciding how you're going to make your zoo. You can change it around. And you've only got three turns. And it takes 15 minutes. It was really good.

Kris  53:16  
There's another zoo thing?

Becky  53:17  
It's another zoo thing, but it isn't really as I mean, yeah, you've got animals, which are of a fairly small number of different varieties. But the expansion pack that's coming out now, which was my very first Kickstarter game, what's it called...

Rob  53:32  
 Gamefound?

Becky  53:34  
Gamefound that's it, but yes, it was my very first backing of something. I was very excitedly... did it within the first half an hour of it coming out and then was watching the pledges go up to make sure it... because I would have bought multiple copies if it looked like it wasn't gonna happen. But I think it reached like, something like 200 times 200% of what it needed, something like that. It was definitely gonna happen, which is really cool. So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to that coming out. And we're gonna play Lords of Waterdeep next week, and I love that game. 

Rob  54:03  
So good. 

Becky  54:04  
It's just so good. I have been playing on the PC, no, I take that back. It's on Steam. And it's a Mac. So all those PC and Mac people out there can have a little battle, it's on Steam, it doesn't matter what it's on. And it's really good. Yeah, it's really good. So yeah, I would recommend. Tambo what you got coming up?

Tambo  54:21  
Um, yeah, so I did the Kickstarter thing though, but it's my new gaming table, which I'm looking forward to. It's the Ironsides Table, it's called, there's quite a cheaper one, one version. It's something like $500, No, $499 for the actual table.

Becky  54:34  
Shipping is $499

Tambo  54:36  
Yeah with shipping, that's probably a different thing. But um, yeah, so I'm looking forward to that. It's, it's metal, so it's not wooden, and you can choose your colour. And when you pass it up on all your extras, this is when it goes up to... So yeah, in totally. I've spent about £1200 quid on it.

Becky  54:53  
Wooooooah!

Kris  54:54  
$500 for the base? What have you bought?

Tambo  54:56  
You've got the extension for it. So the base table is only four seater. 

Kris  55:01  
Okay

Tambo  55:01  
So I've got an extension to it. So you literally... as it's all metal, you just plug in two sides, it makes it like an eight place sitter. And then you've got the wooden planks that go on... the oak planks or go on top to make your dining table extra. So I had to buy the extra for the extenders, so I can have it stayed out as eight people. So it's constantly done as the big one. And I've kind of bought some little luxurys probably Becky could have made. And I've got these lovely little fluffy armrests that go on top.

Becky  55:23  
Nice!!!

Kris  55:23  
Are they washable?

Tambo  55:23  
Yeah could be

Becky  55:24  
It's taking a turn again. It's always when Kris is here!

Kris  55:35  
It's how intense we get when we're playing games. Sweaty arms on them.

'Sweaty arms'? Right!

Tambo  55:40  
And the mats at the bottom. So when you... JP's is..is it blue underneath? No, red on JP's isn't it, but on this one, you can buy different mats. I've got one, so like Mars, sky. Yeah, some water. So you got all different... in space. So you can have different mats for the games you're playing. If you wanted to, so I kind of bought a few more mats, but I had to buy the extended one for the big table. 

Rob  55:57  
And the stripper poles gotta go somewhere right?

Tambo  56:00  
And I bought the mat holders that hang up on the thing,  so you can put all the mat holders in and it keeps it tight. The planks as well have little legs that screw in, so you can have side tables, or on the table so they rise up so you've got a second platform on your table. 

Kris  56:15  
They've really thought about this

Becky  56:17  
Sounds like a Kickstarter with all the extra pledges

Tambo  56:19  
It's all pledged now, it's done. They've made about 4 million on it or something. 

Becky  56:23  
Wow. 

Tambo  56:24  
Because obviously it's designed for people like cafes and stuff, people buy them

Kris  56:28  
So you've got this table.

Tambo  56:29  
Yeah,

Kris  56:30  
You're extending your house

Tambo  56:31  
Yep

Kris  56:31  
When are we moving in? Rob's already alluded to living with you so...

Tambo  56:39  
Yes, that's not coming till July. If all goes well. Yes, yeah. But um, yeah, that's all very exciting.

Becky  56:44  
Wow. Nice purchase. Kris, how about you

Kris  56:48  
We I've bought the Japanese Battlestar Galactica and I'm gonna spend the next four months trying to decipher it. I've signed myself up for Civilization on this Friday. 

Becky  56:59  
Cool, 

Kris  56:59  
Which I've watched some videos and my brain is melting.

Becky  57:03  
Well, lots of tokens. 

Kris  57:05  
I'm literally panicking.

Tambo  57:08  
You're in a cold sweat? Yeah.

Kris  57:09  
And I'm going round Tombo's tomorrow night to pay this Dog thing game.

Tambo  57:16  
Yeah, dog park. Yep. That'd be fun 

Becky  57:18  
A Dog walking game, looks really good. 

Tambo  57:20  
Yeah, it's another Kickstarter I did, Birdwood games. Yes. It's very, very... you'll be fine. It's very basic. It's like you do it four or five times.

Kris  57:28  
Do we need to bring our dogs with us? 

Tambo  57:30  
Can if you want to

Becky  57:30  
Awww, bring Poppy

Tambo  57:32  
We'll be saying 'walkies' a lot, so might confuse them

Kris  57:35  
Poppy's banned from JP's for a few indiscretions

Rob  57:41  
She pooped on the carpet.

Kris  57:43  
She pooped on the carpet. Then I brought a present round to say sorry for Poppy pooping on the carpet. And then she proceeded to wee on the carpet whilst I was giving that present over, and then the same evening she then tore up part of the carpet which I think I can see the thread of it now, 

Becky  57:58  
Poppy!! Disgrased herself!

Kris  58:03  
She is literally in the doghouse

Becky  58:07  
So you're looking forward to playing that, but Poppy is not invited. Fair enough.

Kris  58:11  
I'm actually going to be re enacting or trying to live out the Jaws game, which I'm not sure you guys play? 

Tambo  58:19  
Yeah, got Jaws, and I love it 

Kris  58:23  
Me and JP are going surfing on Sunday,

Rob  58:29  
Happy days 

Kris  58:30  
Look out for the headlines about being eaten by sharks in deepest Devon

Becky  58:36  
Rob, how about you?

Rob  58:37  
After your incredible tenure as player one, I'm excited to take over the reins. Excited and nervous because I'm terrible at organising anything, so trying to organise the next four podcasts, it's been a bit of a nightmare to be honest.

Tambo  58:56  
It's all right, you'll have JP bossing you all the time. 

Rob  58:58  
That is true, and to be honest, I am welcoming his directional leadership to it, but you know, very excited got some... got some topics that I I quite like to talk about. So should be good fun.

Becky  59:13  
Cool, and that leads on beautifully on to our final turn. So with this episode finished my turn asfirst player has come to an end, like Rob has just said. I'll be handing over the title to him. And yeah, you've got some cool episodes. 

Rob  59:26  
Yeah, so I'm sorry, guys. If the podcast numbers suddenly dropped, I apologise.

Becky  59:31  
Sure that is absolutely not going to happen. So until next time, I want to thank my fellow players around the table here and all you guys for listening. If you've enjoyed the show, please like or subscribe or review on your preferred podcast player. And please get in touch with us and send us your questions or comments or anything else you want to tell us. You can do that by emailing us at players@whoseturn.co.uk Or you can get to us by our Facebook page on Whose Turn Is It Anyway Podcast. We've also got Instagram @whoseturnpodcast and tiktock@whoseturnisitanyway We'll be back again in two weeks with Rob with another episode, so until then Whose Turn Is It?

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