JP: 0:32

Welcome to whose turn is it anyway? your board gaming podcast which puts you in the heart of our gaming group. JP strikes back as first player where we explore board games in a very popular sci fi franchise as vocalised by my other players

Chris P: 0:46

execute order 66

JP: 0:48

Do Anakin

Rob: 0:49

I have the high ground.

JP: 0:51

I'm sure you guessed it. Well done. It's Star Trek so much not good. It's Star Wars. We are going to be talking about all things Star Wars board game related, and I can't wait on this podcast

Rob: 1:08

probably going on for four days. So buckle up. Yeah.

JP: 1:11

And honestly, Episode I'm Joined by if you couldn't already workout. Rob. Hi, Chrisy P. Hello there. And I only play it Dan. Hey, yeah, he's back.

Rob: 1:22

He's back again. Oh shit it's Dan from the Whose turn is it anyway? Podcast thing?

Dan Apsey: 1:26

Yeah,

JP: 1:27

a regular.

Rob: 1:28

I am already a regular.

JP: 1:30

So Dan. You obviously did an absolute with his last. We met last week. But when we record recorded it, yes. a fortnight ago. A fortnight ago. Yes. Magic. That was it.

Dan Apsey: 1:40

It was good. It's great. back for another one. Talking about like, Star Wars. It's like the best thing ever. Sliced bread, sliced bread on Star Wars galaxy. I was I was in McDonald's once and I was in the breakfast queue. And once I was in a particular moment, I was in the breakfast cube. And it was every day. It was a sunny day in June. And I purchased my breakfast and I got my receipt. And I went to my friend Ben. Ben, look, look at the number look at the order number and it was 66. And when they called it, execute ordeer 66. Of course, they were laughing their heads off. But that day was a good day. Yeah, that was a good day. I mean,

Rob: 2:31

it has just sort of, like infected all of life, isn't it? Yes. There's references and quotes and census. Yeah, it's everywhere. Now. Like when I was a kid growing up, it was, you know, action figures in a silly sci fi movie now. It's almost a way of life. Yeah, absolutely. It has kind of, you know, soaked into everything. Well, everything in my life anyway. Yeah, it's

JP: 2:56

an important part of our lives. Yeah, love it. How about you boys? Doing well? Yeah. Oh, good. Thank

Chris P: 3:03

you. Yeah, yes. Not too bad. Yeah. Good. Good. All

JP: 3:08

right, shall we? Shall we get on with it? Might as well we're gonna be here a while let's do it Okay, it's time to talk about hex when we talk about our favourite games that we've been playing, or getting to the table recently. So I'm going to pick you Mr. Apsey, or while you've been doing we've been playing mate,

Rob: 3:37

I taught my parents wingspan last night. They're not they're not gamers. Although they have played Ticket to Ride and it was a four play game of wingspan that took probably double the length of time, but it was nice because you know, it's like spreading the boardgame love isn't it? So my parents are not big gamers at all. Not really have been ever. But they invested in interest in wanting to play something so Okay, well let's play wingspan it's a good it's a good game that's a little bit more weighty than the likes of ticket to ride and it surely isn't anything. You know, like we shouldn't like the M word. We shouldn't speak about that word around this table. That was totally fine. So yeah, so we got that out. We played a pretty good game. I've got all the expansions for I got the nesting box and it's you know, I was worried about bringing it downstairs and then like chucking it on the table.

Chris P: 4:24

five boxes Yeah, ready to go? Yeah,

Rob: 4:26

my parents was like, No, don't worry. It's okay. It's just gently so we did and it was good. And of course I won. But the game but the game was very tight actually. They did. They had a great time with it. I think I'm on 105 are fine if you like put all the expansions into wingspan that you tend to get a score over 100 I thought I finally get much higher scores with everything kind of all smushed in. Vicki my wife she got like 102 My parents were in the 90s solid scores it's pretty solid scores. Yeah, so they did very very well. And it was very very good but it took a long time but it was worth it. It was nice.

Dan Apsey: 5:06

So yes,

JP: 5:06

you're not rushing like a deadline that you try.

Dan Apsey: 5:09

No, absolutely not. No and it was it was chill and you know the drinks were flowing and the crisper out and that's that's that's a good booking so good. Yeah, and I've been playing a lot of Board Game Arena lately. So an anachrony I got all the way to three games of an anachrony going, one game of Ark Nova and a couple of something else I can't remember what it was now I'll tapestry all going at once on on like, you know, but not not real time to async Yeah. Which is which has been keeping me busy during those times where I decided to go to the toilet. And yeah, that's about it so that then Doom scrolling.

JP: 5:47

Just taking my turn

Rob: 5:51

Yes, it's very very good. Are you

JP: 5:52

any of those games or Kerley?

Rob: 5:54

Yes, two of those guys do Yeah, what that I got a funny story about that. I'll tell you currently right now is currently sunning himself in sunny Florida. But he sent me a picture of one of the rides that he was on. Sure what ride it was on. And his family obviously pulling the the rudimentary pose on the ride with their mouth wide open, and they're very, very happy. Well, Carly's got his head and it's fine. Kerley, why have you got your head in your phone? I'm taking the ark nova turn against you aint I. and I'm a part of your holiday. You're there. They're on the road with you in Disneyworld. I was in Disney World rather than ham Hill, which is great. So that was also fun. I enjoyed that. So yeah,

JP: 6:39

nice. Nice. Nice. Good. It's always good to get the parentals in involved in gaming. I literally took Las Vegas Royale last night for my mother in law's kind of birthday weekend and that's what we always get is a fun game. Yeah, and lots of just dice rolling and drinking and stuff and stitching people up again. Yes, wearing usual things. Anywho Chrissy P It's been a while since you've been on the older podcast and good to have you back man. Yes,

Chris P: 7:05

thank you very much for inviting me back.

JP: 7:07

doesn't lead me back in the room. Thank thank you for doing a topic that is not anything like heavy euros that you think. Oh, give me dungeons. Give me dragons. Give me anything fantasy or Star Wars related. And yeah,

Chris P: 7:21

I'm there. Perfect. That's good. It's brilliant. Yeah. I've been probably it's probably a common thing I've been playing frosthaven. Again.

JP: 7:30

You completed Gloomhaven didnt you?.

Rob: 7:32

We did a new person. I know who in the world we finished in

Dan Apsey: 7:36

It's been 30 years.

Chris P: 7:38

It took this long in my life and all of my life to rally people for gloomhaven. Yeah, yeah. So now when you finally move on the gloom, Haven, frost Haven, we are six scenarios in nice and doing very, very well. And building up the town very nicely.

Rob: 7:52

Only 473 to go every fine.

Chris P: 7:56

I think there's about 190 scenarios.

JP: 7:58

Wow. How many do you want

Rob: 8:00

to books for investment in time?

JP: 8:04

Oh, it's a great value. Wonderful.

Rob: 8:06

Yeah. Like

Chris P: 8:07

it cost me this one because I've got a second hand. Currently 100 quid. I mean, it takes about three or four hours a game to play that's anything that you can't get

Rob: 8:17

three of your best mates. Yeah, like you know, free just gonna take what 18 months at least Yeah, if you hammer it.

Chris P: 8:24

Yeah, yeah, that's if we play every week. We know we play once a week if we can, but honestly, there's stuff comes up and you can't always intends to know. Very, very good fun doing that so far. So yeah, who's the character who I'm playing as the drifter, which is the inox sort of mixed hybrid melee range class. One of his mechanics is that, um, you know, with, like, perpetual effects on cars where you put on Play, the car goes to directive area. And then every time you do something like an attack, you get like a platoon attack and you move your little tracker tracker thing along the tab, the drifter can move it back on tab, so you can keep an effect for a very long time I added a plus two attack and I had a plus to range on all my stuff for the entire game nice is actually to go and I'll do an attack and then I'll move it back to and then I moved to and an extra single enemy, I can move it back again. So you just really convert back, which is really cool. So I've been playing with him. Alex is playing as the blink blade, you can go fast or slow and depending on which action they take has different effects. If you go fast, you can move quicker and do more damage. If it goes slow. It's a bit more like you, you can maybe do more damage, but you can move less or your range is reduced is a bit more specific. And then back up in the class. I really wanted to play the Necromancer but I didn't play as them because I thought I wouldn't leave I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I would never retire the character

Rob: 9:47

video games slash board games if there was a necromancer. Diablo three that didn't come out to start with.

Chris P: 9:54

No but yeah, I played it when I play conjuration necromancer second edition.

JP: 10:04

So the fact you you've kind of laid down the cloak for someone else to experience

Chris P: 10:09

I did a poll and it was just me and him and as no one else wanted to play the drifter also,

Rob: 10:14

wasn't there a question on a previous podcast was it Would you like to play your class? Yeah.

JP: 10:20

Would you rather? Yeah.

Rob: 10:21

Would you rather somebody played your class and had fun or you played that class? Yeah, well, Chris is kind of both.

Chris P: 10:28

Yeah. I've always been really wants to do it. I can give you advice on how to play necromancer. So

JP: 10:33

gracious host is actually let someone else have the fun with your favourite class.

Rob: 10:37

Why don't you be like that?

JP: 10:39

Because I'm a dick

Chris P: 10:46

for your joining. Yeah, loving it. Yeah, loving it. Absolutely. Good. Perfect.

JP: 10:50

Good. So Rob, hello. What have you been up to my old friend?

Rob: 10:55

A lot. A lot of it with you, ironically. Which is a bit weird. Okay. Gaming. I've not quite. We went to Florida. So, before Florida, I had a few solo games of The Witcher. Yeah, because I spent so much money on the blood. Is it still a thing that we still take the mick out of him for buying all that witcher stuff?

JP: 11:16

Yeah, no, I've got no leg to stand on JP he's got no skin in this game. Why not move on

Rob: 11:22

to many events. So no, but I've played with you and I played it with baby and Taz at the 24 hour ball game experiment. There's a few gets a few sort of kinks to it. That hadn't quite figured out yet. So I just wanted to play on my own, make mistakes kind of realise what I've done wrong. And either I played it very wrong, or Siri is ridiculously overpowered because she was awesome. So solo mode, the challenge is to complete the chapter to complete the game in as few rounds as possible. Mine went on for two days, because I was having so much fun. It was just elongated. I just

Chris P: 12:00

do this because

Rob: 12:02

everyone can toss too many coins. There's so many. But it was great fun. But yeah, so that we did that. And we played a few games on holiday Radlands I really enjoyed. Yeah. Like few little card games that we managed to take away card game. Really enjoyed that on holiday so so yeah, it's been that's what I've been up to. So I haven't really been on the podcast much. You haven't I don't know why I didn't feel like my input was warranted when there was a lot there. But there were more people who had more knowledge on the subjects. Now we

JP: 12:32

just we just go for entertainment.

Rob: 12:33

Oh, yeah, but you don't need me dumbing. It brought me in. Yeah, that's

Chris P: 12:40

why we had to recruit separate things called rules. What doesn't obey the

Rob: 12:50

rulebook has been established. But um, but no. So I kind of stepped back a little bit. And obviously, I've had a lot going on as well. So but yeah, the last one I was on just the live one. Yeah, poor game was a lot of fun. It was great. It was it was pretty left and then come back.

JP: 13:10

That's the best thing we talked about on the episode because I put the episodes as you know, and I we've got all the clips and all the timestamps and you know, everyone's been doing throughout the day, because I was on the live stream. I had no awareness. So I was really looking forward to cutting that up. So and I was like, right, yeah, it's Chris. Brilliant. Yeah, I had a great time doing this and what I've got to go unfortunately, yeah. Okay. Yeah, bless him. He's got to go. And then the other two few timestamps later, right. It's Chris is he's coming back. So I kind of missed all

Rob: 13:39

of that. It was great. I really enjoyed it. And the live the live one was, was it was a mild car crash on.

Dan Apsey: 13:45

Oh, it was great.

Rob: 13:47

It was great. It was absolutely great. Trying to obviously there's a lot of people involved. Yeah.

JP: 13:53

I think we're still in our infancy. Yeah, so it was a

Rob: 13:56

lot of fun. But that was the last one I was on. So yeah, that's the reason why I've kind of stepped away a little bit sweet

JP: 14:02

cool well me then obviously me I have been as you know, I've been voidfalling a lot we're not talking about voidfall

Rob: 14:12

you're on your own

Chris P: 14:14

like the game mainly now just by watching you guys reading your

Rob: 14:18

chat history every day. You go in just just you saying that it's great but the funny voice

JP: 14:29

just just affirming what we already know which is really good. But now we burn as you know I've been playing a lot of voidfall and the designers of voidfall is Nigel buckle and David Turczi and they also collaborated on another game called Imperium classics and legends are like two different boxes but using the same system. And it's again my known about for about four, you know, maybe probably not how long three years, two years. And I've not really been interested in it whatsoever. What intrigues me? Yeah, and it's only since I've played void for and thinking okay, this collaboration is really like interesting the way that they dealt with the game and everything else. Obviously Imperium is completely different. It's a deck builder based in kind of like civilizations, new players different nations that kind of battle each other. And so you thought I've been kind of umming and arring Should I get this done? I don't know

Rob: 15:24

why you I don't know why I say much because we all know you're gonna buy anyway. Yeah,

JP: 15:29

so this, so I bought it good good early isn't like 25 quid Yeah, exactly. I don't know why I was kind of just wondering I bought both. nice because I'm a completionist because why wouldn't stupid it because if I didn't like it I would have had to sell them both. Yeah well I actually really love it so it's good. So yeah, so what is it is a deck builder? We play civilizations like the Romans, the Greeks the Scythians, whatever, Persians you name it,

Rob: 15:57

I imagine you would have been thinking about the Romans Lots then. Yeah, yeah, always, always, always.

JP: 16:03

So nice. And yeah, so. So that builder, so complicated deck builder, the two designers that are in play, and it's very deep. And it's one of those games that's going to reward lots and lots of plays, just because of how kind of deep the game and strategies are involved. So it's a kind of what it is you pick your nation, all the nations are asymmetric, they all do completely different things. But there's a kind of running theme throughout the game in how it works, which is, you know, you've got your main kind of deck of cards, and you got your discard pile, which you expect, you've got the Commons, which is your shop and everything else. But the idea is that you you start off as a barbarian state, so you're literally just coming out of, you know, Rubble, cobbling together with all the kind of basic technologies and things conquering different regions now cards that you can kind of put down into your little Tableau. And the idea is that when you cycle through your deck, you take a card from your nations deck and put it into the, your main deck, well, the discard, and you shove it all back in. And then those nation cards are obviously specific to the different nations that you play as, and it gives you that sense of growth, as you kind of go through time. So you're getting a few more extra things if your powers and abilities that kind of come through. And the idea is that once you finish your nations deck, after maybe six cycles of your your main deck, you'll pick up your ascension card, and the ascension card is what transfers you from a barbarian state to an empire. And there are certain cards that you can play as a barbarian and certain cards that you play as an empire. And obviously, when you get to the Empire State, you can get more civilised cards, and you can have more established things like currency, and education and all those kinds of things. Yeah,does it play solo?, yeah, solos. Brilliant. That's really well done. You literally, it's really easy to run, you have like a card or a book by printing some cards, because it's just easy to manage. You roll a dice determine what card out of the five that kind of displayed in the tableau, which doesn't get played. And then you just basically play all the other cards for the bar, and you just reference the thing. You're right, do that thing called on did that thing done, done. And then because all the nations are different, they feel different. So the Vikings as an example, they just love stealing shit, like stealing all your material stealing things, and they obviously get in your way raiding rather than steal our raiding, pillaging, yeah, doing what Vikings do best. But Vikings as a nation, they don't have, they can't transfer into an empire. They can't they're constantly and barbarians, they, because they're Vikings. And he's got some nice mechanics like the it's a bit like net runner with the terminology. So once you can get your head around that, like you can put cards into history, which is like a trash but it goes into your your main power card, meaning you'll never get them back. And then you might score certain VPs of having cards in history. And then you'll have other cards like your reading cards that you can Garrison some of the cards out your hand into the regions, and that's like a temporary trash so you can kind of hold these cards in their thinking because then that thins the deck out means you can cycle it quicker and advance you nation. And then you might get them back or get them back when you really need them. So again, it's a really kind of unique different learning.

Rob: 19:26

love the idea of civic builders. Yeah, I love them. My tiny little brain cannot handle them. Yeah, I love ancient history. And all that stuff. board games about that. I mean, that's right up my street. Yeah. Except, like, do not strategize how to stuff. I have a lovely time playing. Yeah.

Chris P: 19:46

So what did he do?

Rob: 19:50

Yeah, that sounds really cool.

JP: 19:53

It's very well done. I'm really impressed with it. I didn't kind of know it was gonna be like this. I mean, I heard it was a kind of deck builder, but you kind of have a certain assumption of how that builders play

Rob: 20:04

in the box. Is it just cards? Yeah, yes, Jonathan.

JP: 20:09

Literally, I mean, tokens are literally your resources you got like materials, population and progress that you can spend and acquire and Um, but yes, it's all card play. And it just reminds me of like an LCG or CCG when you, you know, you're exhausted that you're doing this, you're doing that, and it just combos off massively nice. I'm loving it. I'm bringing this really, really clever. I'm not playing with any of the legends nations yet, but I'll work my way through. And then I found out they're doing another box is coming out next year with 14 More nations. Yeah.

Rob: 20:42

Yeah, I'd be up for that

JP: 20:44

thing I would say, I don't think I'd want to play it for player, too. And I think it would run on too long. Yeah. Because even solo I mean, I'm learning it and not the fastest to get through. And I'm checking rules and things. And I think I've got it down now. But, you know, a solo game is an hour to 90 minutes. Yeah. You know, and that's a lot going on. So I think two player would be similar. Once people know what they're doing. At four players, I think you're going into like three plus hours. So a lot for a deck building game. Yeah. You know, you kind of go into heavy Euro territory at free plus hours. And you think, is it worth it without many, and I think it'd be too much. So I think it's harder to maybe max three Anywho. That's the games we've been playing. Let's move on to hyperspeed and start talking about Star Wars. So this is the main event. We are here to talk about board games that are in the Star Wars universe, which is cool as anything. So the main thing about this episode for me is actually it's Rob's idea. I'm not going to claim it as anything but Bob's idea. But Rob, in his job goes to me various different customers in their houses, and often talks about that sounds sinister. Right? Yeah, that's true.

Rob: 22:06

Nice job. Cops. I'm a sky engineer. People, that people

JP: 22:17

book him into service. Yeah, I saw this guy. Yeah. So you talk and sometimes talk about our hobby. Yeah, we

Rob: 22:23

were just talking to a young couple. You know, three, four month old baby obviously lives change massively. Can't go out anymore. Can't you know, and not anymore, but it's not you know, they're spending more and more time at home. And I noticed they had a Star Wars Lego set. Obviously, I love Star Wars. And I love Lego. There's your in point. I was talking to them about it. And we were talking about Lego and it's you know, I've kind of settled on quite geeky play a lot of board games as well. And okay, what's that? Like? And I'm like, you know, yeah, cool. I've got I've just got a really good new Star Wars game. And they're like, their Star Wars board games. And I'm like, yeah. And they're like, what, like, monopoly Star Wars? And I'm like, no, no. So we started talking to them about all the different Star Wars games that I was playing. And they, they they were so happy after that. Did you say to them just by this one game and your transition to the dark side will be complete? No, only because I didn't think of it. But I did say that just by this one game, and you will love it. Absolutely. But yeah, and it basically like saying, introduced this couple to, you know, a genre of, you know, gaming that they have no idea existed.

JP: 23:39

And that's it. And that's what this episode is about. This episode is about showcasing some of the great Star Wars board games, not themed board games, but Star Wars, proper board games that are out there that people may or may not know about. We just wanted to share the love on them and say look, these these these exists

Rob: 23:55

people and talk about Star Wars and talk about Star

JP: 23:58

Wars and just do silly impressions about Star Wars, right?

Rob: 24:01

Yeah that was you okay, that's one of the Ewoks that dancing around the fire. Yeah, no no, no. They do it around the fire. I'm sure

JP: 24:26

that yeah, we got to put up the Christmas special

Dan Apsey: 24:32

Have you ever seen the Christmas special? Oh,it's terrible.

Rob: 24:37

Okay, so it's the only thing that you can say is bad. You know, but people bash the prequels for years. Right? But they're amazing. They now they now. Now have their place now. They released all the claymores as well. It fits quite nicely. Yeah, yes, absolutely. And a very, very good pre cool. Star Wars board game would be the Star Wars The Queen's gambit. Which is very old Avalon Hill style old board game which is very hard to get hold off. It's really rare. If not, so if you go have a look on BoardGameGeek it's really hard to get hold of a copy I think maybe everyone Hill and it's so I think it's it's, I don't know that much about it, but I know that it's like a battle on Naboo. Yeah, where the board is actually on two levels is that like goes at the game hanoi or come up with some of the games like that where you basically have like two boards one at a year one above. And you're playing both kind of both the top and the bottom, but I don't know that much about it but seeing lots of pictures of him. When you see online on Facebook, people get very excited about it, because it's very, very, sort of simulating the battle in space and the battle on the planet. Possibly, yes, quite possible.

Unknown: 25:48

Is it the Gungans and the naboos? I believe, again, it could be we don't know. I don't know.

Rob: 25:55

All I know is that this game has been around for a long, long time. And it's worth a mention. I believe this book as well. Yes, I believe so. Yes.

JP: 26:05

Okay, well, I'll kick the game so it just lit you're going to talk about Star Wars games, right? We're just gonna throw them in No, no real structure so saves me planning which is great. So the first one I wanted to mention is Star Wars rebellion. One of my favourite games let alone a Star Wars game. I adore Star Wars rebellion and what it does so for those that don't know what Star Wars rebellion is, it is your cat and mouse Empire versus the rebels you know, literally one v one game where you will just go head to head and have an epic galactic clash battles and have a really good time doing it. So it kind of follows it follows the the arc of episodes four five and six and with the expansion they throwing in kind of Rogue One elements in there which makes the game better to be honest, the more variety and all that kind of stuff. And yeah, like he's the rebels you have a rebel base, it's a secret planet that the Empire obviously doesn't know where it is and the board is, is huge. It's actually two boards put together and you just have the whole galaxy kind of spread out there with corrisant as the kind of main hub for the Empire to come from and then you kind of sit on the other side of the board and you're building your ships you're building your Star Destroyers you're building all those different things and yeah, it as a as a game where you're the Empire you feel strong. You feel like you have unlimited resources your armies and fleets are because you do mercy Yeah, you feel like Palpatine as you sit there and go move that those fleets over there and when you do that and you like right send the probes and the probes will go off to try and find the base and doing all of that and as the rebels you just feel like scared constantly constantly under fear underpowered my other how mild anxiety Yeah, how the hell are we going to survive this hope they don't find out where my bases and literally you go and like strike missions, you have objectives for the Rebels to get points and it's quite nice in the wind conditions because the rebels just need to either wait it out so that the turn order meets their rebel token or kind of score objectives to bring that token further down so there's less time to hit. And the Empire just needs to find the base and annihilate destroying it's very simple. And what's cool is because it kind of follows the arc it allows you to play Star Wars in the way that you want to so if you want to build a second Death Star, you can build a second Death Star which is always fun to do if you want

Rob: 28:36

to capture Luke and turn into the

JP: 28:39

turning to the dark side and you did that a layer on one game which was good fun. And yeah, sometimes like a classic hero that is obviously survived throughout all episodes 4 to six may die, I can happen and then that's quite nice because you've got your heroes and you'll send them on missions and you can be opposed by your other team and it's just very cleverly done. It does run long. It runs like three or four hours. But it's probably for me the most Star Wars The Star Wars game It feels like you're in it Yeah. And it's

Rob: 29:11

like Twilight Imperium

Dan Apsey: 29:12

yes

Rob: 29:12

this is Star Wars Twilight Imperium some of the mechanics of a shared like when you're moving moving units are on board yeah shared very much so so it was a shame that that didn't make a twilight Imperium Star Wars edition. But if you want to get close to it then that will be the one

JP: 29:29

yeah it's it's for you like yeah, kind of one v one games it's for me it's probably the the best one v one game or one of the best one v one games because we literally did an episode on that. A few weeks back but yeah, I love it. And Robbie, we got you in

Rob: 29:45

there. I've only played it once. Yeah, I absolutely loved it. We sat in basically shear panic mode, revelry hours. Yeah, it was the rebels. But I loved it. I thought it was wonderful. I thought it was obviously great. And I love to play again, really waited for for a little bit when you see that second Deathstar coming down the track on my

JP: 30:06

deck, except production queue. So when you put things into production, you're like, ah, and that was it.

Rob: 30:12

It was like the production queue. There was like Star Destroyers and walkers and then There's just this endless cycle and the cycle of death just heading my way and I'm like I've got a trooper

JP: 30:26

I've got a speeder I've got a

Rob: 30:28

carrier and that was it. And that's why it's thematically it's it's on point because you are a much more than you know you that hit and run kind of tactics. You are relatable. Yeah. Whereas the the Empire has control of the galaxy, and you're living in it. It's that that is just nailed thematically is brilliant.

JP: 30:49

So there we go. That's what I wanted to talk about. Sounds interesting. Check it out.

Rob: 30:54

It's brilliant. It's pretty it's been around a long time as well. Yeah, I

JP: 30:57

think a while I think it was actually based I think I've said this before, I think it's based off video game called Star Wars supremacy. Back on the PC, way back in the 90s.

Rob: 31:09

No rebellion rebellion. Rebellion was older than I might be. I thought it was 2016

JP: 31:13

might be around then. Yeah, mid attends. Anyway. Well, the games for me,

Rob: 31:21

one that I went deep on real real quick, like, ridiculously fast, was Imperial Assault. So I've talked about on the podcast before, but the thing for me is that you don't play as the main characters you don't play as you know, as a Jedi or, or anything like that you play as very underpowered parts of the rebellion. So like, it'd be like a smuggler that's kind of turn to help the rebels. But it's a co op game, up to four players. And loads of minis more minies than I thought you played the game with. Trying to find a set of many in this pile is just infuriating, but it's part of the fun. And again, it's it's short, like descent, when you're going through it, like you know you do feel quite overpowered, come the end of it. With this, you're constantly underpowered, you're constantly under pressure, because there's more resources that the empire can bring against you. And it is kind of getting get the objective done and get out as quickly as possible, you know that you're not going to get everything on the board, you know, you're not like you can just clear the board and do whatever you want. It's kind of you have to do what you can while you're there, because you know, it's gonna get heavy, real quick. And like, and I know that Adrian's played it, and Adrian really enjoyed it. My only criticism of it is that there aren't that many online scenarios. So it comes with an app that you can use, and nobody has to be the DM. And there's only three. I believe there's three scenarios online, there's loads, obviously, with the DM. So maybe a few more scenarios online would be great. But other than that, I mean, I love it is just brilliant. I played it a lot when it first came out when I played a lot of descent. And I switched over to Star Wars after kind of having descent because you know, it's Star Wars and so if you love Star Wars, you're gonna love it right. I played it a lot. I was the DM and I did enjoy it and the minis are great and the artwork is really really pretty and it's it's high production because it's FFG and is what you expect from them. And the scenarios are just really thematic and fun. And anybody who likes the idea of playing through like a dungeon crawler but once the star will slap on it should give it a go because it's it's effectively what it is. Yeah

Chris P: 33:48

yes

Rob: 33:49

it's brilliant. We haven't played it enough as a group to kind of we haven't gotten that deep in on it yet because we've been playing other games

Chris P: 33:57

yeah basically as to the games and not something else comes out and

Rob: 34:00

not enough time but um but yeah I just write on my street lovely says well when you buy the expansions Of course it's a lovely production quality game and there's a larger version and then you can expand it with somebody from expansions and character packs on top yeah I had when I went real deep real is easily done that when he went first because they when they used to release content is released an expansion or packs with release loads of packs at once. Because I'm obviously not gonna go buy 1am I gonna buy them all on one. Yeah,

JP: 34:33

now I prefer to descent personally because like you've done theme because yeah, Star Wars so and I just quite liked I mean I've not played with the DM the classic rules it's always been on the app but I've always enjoyed the scenarios and what was happening you know, you're going into a cantina or you gotta get some information and suddenly the Empire turns open you go oh shit and then sometimes you know Vader pops open you go oh my god the Tutorial scenario is killing you just run away run away. Faith

Rob: 35:06

force check to you across the map. Okay,

JP: 35:10

brilliant. Great game.

Rob: 35:12

That's right, my

JP: 35:13

straight nice whilst from in most we got

Chris P: 35:17

Outer Rim. Outer Rim. I love Outer Rim.

JP: 35:19

Played it. I mean, no, no

Rob: 35:21

need to play it. It's my favourite.

JP: 35:23

What is it for us? What is Outer Rim? What's it about?

Chris P: 35:26

It's a game about Star Wars. Brilliant. And you're in the outer rim? And yeah, it's I think it's the four player,

JP: 35:35

I think. Yeah, I think. Yeah, don't

Chris P: 35:37

face any more than four. No, no. And you take host of various kinds of major characters you can play as anymore from Han Solo and Chewie. Much of the other ones. Luke, though? No, don't please. Well, no, no, it's

JP: 35:53

more of the smugglers. The villain isn't Yeah. And it

Chris P: 35:56

is to your goal was to become the best pirate bounty hunter smuggler. In the outer rim. Going to all the planets. Yeah, picking up bounties smuggling through treasure and stuff. You have all the sort of major factions like the Empire, the rebels.

JP: 36:16

The huts, the huts and

Chris P: 36:18

hands indicate Yeah, so you gain their favour or obviously become a target for them. And then they'll start following you around the board and hunting you down and which is great. And yeah, it's just absolutely fantastic. And with the expansion, you get, like agenda goal I can't. I can't I was like Agenda Builder commission goal. Where Yeah, you become like the best like us like your own personal tailored, yeah. Robbery, just getting X amount of points game. Oh, yeah, that's it, it's getting X amount of points. And you have to achieve three or four of these goals. So you have to like do the Kessel Run as a classic one or defeat a star destroyer. If you're being Rebel variable, the character and stuff like that. So

Rob: 36:59

I heard you got a play with the expansion to really get the most ever played with the expansion, but from what Tambo would not play without it? Yeah, I

JP: 37:08

mean, now I'm the same, I played it with the expansion, it is better. But I think if you've never played it before, and you pick up the base game, its not broken, no base game is still great. And you know, you should try it and give it a whirl. But it will get to a point, I think in the base game where you're gonna run out of the variety of missions,

Rob: 37:27

as well, as meta for the for the base game. It's just getting the Falcon ship in there. Whereas with the expansion, it brought in so many different variables for it that it's not, you know, there's not the only strategy

JP: 37:41

I like the personal goals aspect to it. Because like you say, Chris, it's like, well, I'm playing this character. And that, you know, that's what you've got to do. And it's going to change your game, or you're going to do different things in that game. Yeah, you can't use tried and tested strategies, because like, say, you have to do the Kessel Run, okay, we all do that. I'm going to need this and do this and do that. And it helps guide you down a path. It doesn't restrict you. But you kind of go over there. Yeah, that's more of a focus. Yeah. Like if you're better than if you're a bounty hunter character. And you've got a bounty hunter. List to do. It keeps it kind of it just makes it you're focused more, if that makes sense. So actually gives you a route to go down. And I love it. I thought it was amazing. It was my game of the year, when it was released. I absolutely adore that game. Just a sandbox, isn't it? If you liked sandbox games, and the board is very unique, because it's kind of like a rainbow. semi circle. Yeah. But yeah, semi circle, and all connects together and puzzle pieces. And yeah, it's different every time. Yeah, it just looks quite different and unique. It's good, fun. Sandbox. Yeah, one

Chris P: 38:49

of the things that I really like is when you do sort of like the quests are the missions that you pick up a mission at one planet go to another planet, and you have to then do the mission. So when you pick up the mission that says, in order to do this mission, you're probably going to want a set of seven different stats. So you want someone who's good at piloting someone who's good at technology, someone who's good at just being genuinely strong. Your base character will have some stats on them. But then you have to start picking up crew that have also these additional stats, which make that enable you to do the missions without having to fail them over and over again, and hopefully just luck, great based dark roles.

Rob: 39:26

There's nothing more infuriating when somebody comes for that crew member as a bounty.

JP: 39:30

Yeah, yeah. No, I need to

Chris P: 39:34

read his mind.

Rob: 39:38

Because it's combative without actually fighting each other. Yes. Which is awesome. Yeah, like you know, it's really good and you can barter over the table so you can borrow money off favours each other and it's real. When you get stabbed in the back as somebody's being a dick. It's it just it's another element to the game.

JP: 39:57

I absolutely. It's quite nice because it is an empire and it isn't rebels. It's the scum and villainy and you don't Yes, tend to play with those characters or see their world and how it pans out.

Rob: 40:09

Possibly part of the new video game that's been released is off the back of this board game

JP: 40:14

well the scoundrel is, of called scoundrels Was that yeah, the open world

Chris P: 40:21

was cool. Yeah, cool. It's very much

Rob: 40:24

in that vein as well as a few years a few Star Wars, a few Star Wars games being made at the moment. That's one of them. Yeah, well it has been Quantic Dream Who did heavy rain? I've got a feeling that game is gonna feel very similar to to outter rim. And yeah, the tasks that you've got to do, obviously, and things like that. And it's just, it's brilliant. And you can play it however you want.

Chris P: 40:44

Outlaws big thank you. Thanks.

Rob: 40:51

Yep, so wonderful game. Yeah, my one of my favourite games of all time

JP: 40:55

now. I love it. Okay, I'm going to talk about the Star Wars deck building game. This forever and you're going to use it for me. I bought a cute fan. And I thought, Oh, this will be a great present for Rob. And I knew it was coming out because Fantasy Flight been talking about. Yes, we could present a devon board game weekend as well. Yeah, that's where I saw it. I was like, holy shit. There's a Star Wars deck building game.

Dan Apsey: 41:21

How is there? Oh.

Rob: 41:25

The kids were upstairs on Minecraft in your office. Yeah. And I saw it on the shelf. And I was like, this Mother's Day. He's gone and bought this and he wasn't even offered to play it with me. So he said

JP: 41:35

he went, Oh, I can't believe you've been

Rob: 41:37

friends anymore.

JP: 41:43

So happy birthday. Oh, damn it.

Rob: 41:49

I'm sorry. We played we played on my birthday barbecue. We like a Korok in Zelda, you found me is one of my favourite deck builders is brilliant,

Dan Apsey: 42:04

again not played it

Rob: 42:05

It's really quick, streamlined. It's really quick. It's really straightforward. It's just bloody brilliant.

JP: 42:12

Yeah, I mean, one side rebels side empire, you start with 10 cards. And at the start is quick, fast, furious. It's simple. You know, you got resources that you gather, you spend those resources for the cards in the middle of the row. The differences in the galaxy row is that you have the Empire cards are facing the Empire player, the rebels are facing the rebels and you have the neutrals like your bounty hunters that are kind of up for grabs from anyone. So obviously, if you're a rebel, you can buy your own cards, but the Empire can attack your cards in a row, which is quite a unique thing. Yeah. So

Rob: 42:44

if you get rid of them before they have a chance to get them. Yes, yes, you can take them off the board before once they're in someone's hand unless they burn

JP: 42:52

as per our game, and Luke Skywalker turns up in the galaxy row, and he's like, No, I'm gonna kill him. Do you see luke die and go into this exile pile off to the side and just go. And he's got Vader and he's got bloody Moff Tarkin? No, the other place. People need just grinning.

Rob: 43:11

I never win

JP: 43:14

you took it well. that's basically it. But it's just funny, then it plays rapidly. So quick.

Rob: 43:23

Is and I what I found is that five, because the base, the game says as soon as you've defeated three of your enemy bases, the game ends too short. You get 10 bases, and you pick after the starting base. Yeah, you pick what planet your base is going to be on. And they come with different features and different health points and things like that. But like me and Tambo at your gaming expo or your gaming event, we played to five bases, whooped it absolute destroyed him up to four bases. And then he just did this and it just absolutely support me. Well, it can swing back quickly. So it was really, really good fun. And like I said, plays 45 minutes. It just depends on once you know what you're doing and how many bases you go into, but it's quick. It's easy. It's great. And it's a lot of fun. Yeah, I

Chris P: 44:15

really enjoyed it. I played a bit at the marathon. Yeah, so I think I only got about halfway half an hour in. And then it's like we'll do live stream now. All right. Okay, well, I'll finish it.

JP: 44:26

No, do we have to?

Chris P: 44:29

I'm almost about to win. Yeah, not really. It was really good. Yeah, it's very good. It's really quick. It's

JP: 44:35

the one game I recommend to new kind of hobbyists that are coming into that love Star Wars because it's a cheap entry point. It's not a rebellion where you're spending nigh on 60 70 80 quid for it. This is what 30 max I found you. So it's quite you know, it's not a massive outlay of money to purchase for a game and it's just it's great to and the replayability

Rob: 45:04

I haven't played it with somebody who didn't enjoy it. Yeah, I mean, like, so I've I've I'm happy to

JP: 45:10

play and it gets you interested in deck building, which is a great kind of cool mechanic and board game. So if you think I really enjoyed that mechanic we're getting cards and making my deck better than you go all maybe plank, you know says nice offshoots to different kind of deck builders out there and just gives you a good baseline. But I've been making mega complex but it still has a grip to it that makes it fun. So it's not simple. But it's a start simple but gradually there's not any deck builders, the more power cards you get, and then you're doing some wicked cool stuff. Like you playing Vader is just like yeah, dominating everything to great.

Rob: 45:45

Another another game that could be labelled up as a Star Wars game that could be for someone who's just joining the hobby, but love styles as the theme would probably be styles love, love, love the jabbers palettes one not played that one. I have only seen the artwork of it. And I've seen the components of it as a love letter goes. That's really nice. It's a really nice set. And I've been tempted myself to go Oh, should I get out of what I've already got love letter. I've already gotten all of the Rings love. Do I need another love letter? How is it gonna be much different? I mean, but then you know, you see the artwork and is

JP: 46:19

never, never liked. Or the love letters other than the original love like yeah, personally, I've never been did the Marvel? No, thank you.

Rob: 46:29

No, see. So that's that's that I'm always a sucker for like, you know, the original taste, you know, have the original taste. And as soon as you put a reskin on it, it's like always gonna blow me out of the water, we're probably not going to go down there. But the Star Wars version of love letter does look very nice. And the components are really nice, which is a plus, I think. But again, another one of those games Love Letter is one of those games where you would put it in front of somebody if they were going to look for a gateway game. Yeah, you know, transition to the dark side. I

JP: 46:55

think for me, I'd be happier if they just did love letter as it is, and then re skinned it. Like if the Marvel one was the same as Love Letter specifically, but add Ironman and all those great, because that's probably a theme that people will probably jump into. But what they do with these additions, they they twist it up and add some additional elements to the game.

Rob: 47:17

The zero card changes.

JP: 47:20

Like keep it simple.

Dan Apsey: 47:22

If it's not broken don't fix Yeah,

JP: 47:24

but you know, maybe people enjoy it. So it's all good. Yeah,

Dan Apsey: 47:27

but they did that they've been doing that for years, and Munchkin the Munchkin series. Just for the record, I hate Munchkin

JP: 47:34

its not my favourite.

Rob: 47:35

I've never played it. It's not my thing. Just nonsense.

JP: 47:39

It's like it's like yeah, it's a card game you play you think you're gonna win someone then notes you the game goes on for another two hours and then you think they're gonna win and then nope, them and then another two hours? Well, I'm gonna munchkin.

Rob: 47:52

Those dollars reskin of that so you could say

JP: 47:55

let's not talk about any other mentions of Star Wars.

Rob: 48:01

This one you're not gonna like? Oh, no, this

JP: 48:04

one go on. X wing. Yeah, X wing. I don't like it. I respect it, though. Which

Rob: 48:10

I love the models. Yeah. Like to come with you. JP, I think I think yeah, it's not my sort of thing, because I'm not the kind of miniature tabletop miniature stuff. So whether it be fantasy based or an X Wing,

JP: 48:22

do bloody respect it as a game Yeah. And I respect that it's there and that people do love it saying No, for me. X Wing

Rob: 48:30

is basically space battles. Yeah, right. I've never played it. Yeah. dogfighting with the Star Wars space smaller ships of Star Wars. So yeah, I think Star Destroyer No, no. Well, you can get started strong I think for X Wing. I think they did go as big as that thought as more milder but in wood. Yeah. So you got a mod went that way. But then they were I remember them releasing like a million Corvettes for X Wing and possibly going really big with ships. I remember like, they're really smart. And it costs like 80 equivalent one ship. Well, when we formed the group, X Wing was the big thing. Yeah, wasn't it where you think it was you in

JP: 49:09

because Kerley really jumped in. Chris was playing. Yeah.

Rob: 49:15

And so I'd hear about these nights where JP would just come back and

JP: 49:20

do a pilot into asteroids constantly. Yeah. hanged himself.

Rob: 49:24

Yeah. And so these little inside jokes were going on about how crappy of a space pilot he was. I didn't really know anything about it until you guys were setting up again. I think it was a Chris's house. We played a game and then we you guys were staying on to play something else. And I saw the ships. And so this this looks awesome. And I think that was the night you were like yep.

JP: 49:49

Now I've played it quite a few times to play 567 maybe even eight.

Rob: 49:55

I remember currently swearing a lot about the game as well. If I remember rightly, it

JP: 50:00

there's not for me. I don't want to like put the listeners off from x ring like because my experience wasn't amazing. Um, just the way the game works. And I think it's really unique and I think the system is really cool. And it's it's based off an old World War Two dogfighting game. cannot remember the name. But it is the same system. So you have like these dials and you're set the dials and initiative order for your pilots based on who the pilot next wings or slave one or whatever. And, and then on the dials, you're choosing the manoeuvres that your ships are going to do so that they're gonna go straight, they're gonna do soft, left light hard bank left or, or if you want to cause the pilot stress, they can do some like loop de loops or some real fancy fancy manoeuvres. But if they're stressed, then they can't trigger certain abilities and things like that. And then, obviously, what you got to work out in your head, you have to have that foresight of going right, well, that ships gonna move over there, which means it's going to be over there. And then that ships not going to hopefully crash into that ship when it moves. And, and you've got to sequence this out in your mind,

Rob: 51:01

I think we can know where this Yeah, and this is

JP: 51:04

my strength of visualising, like physically where things are going to be after each turn in order to make the most of it. So as you can tell, I'd reveal the manoeuvres and go yet that one moves there and I got our crap. And it's just suddenly the whole thing goes wrong. Because if you run into your own ships, you can't do anything. You just you don't damage yourself, you just can't fire and then you just sit it's kind

Chris P: 51:27

of the whole point of it. Don't

Rob: 51:28

fight the enemy.

JP: 51:30

either. I've gotten into an asteroid, which is just bad, bad manoeuvring anyway, or I've run into myself and not been able to do anything, you just sit and look to the other player who just takes you out. So but I respect it. And I think it is cool. It's got massive

Rob: 51:44

following. It's a massive cost, the cost of it. Cost of it, what does it come with? It comes with three ships and it costs you 32

JP: 51:53

Was it an x wing and 2 Tie Fighters?

Rob: 51:55

and then you know what? I kind of want that. I kind of want it just for the model. Yeah, I do not I like you said I respect that. They're the models are the prepaid three minis. Lovely, lovely, lovely bits of kit. Yeah, but then bring in more ships. It just costs too much money, but they are pretty. And that's why I like Star Wars Armada is because the ships were gorgeous,

JP: 52:19

because the bigger scale Yeah.

Rob: 52:22

I liked that. That's more Yeah. So if if x wings your dog fighting Yes. Your armada is your, like massive, massive scales. Yes, that's yeah. And I liked that more because it because it was more thinking exponentially because you have to think in like so many terms in advance. But with Amari almost like you kind of it's because you're going back up because you're gonna you're scaling up one. And you're kind of you're seeing more ships, bigger ships, and you've got you've got more time to think about how you manoeuvre the ships. And I liked it more than X Wing. I didn't play it to death, but I did play enough of it to go oh, you know, I like this more. And it's just pretty but again, it's an expensive set and mine when it first came I was like 80 quid and it didn't come with a few more ships than x wing one does. But if you're expanding it adding more on to it, then it just is expensive, expensive, but

JP: 53:13

then does it play like

Chris P: 53:14

Warhammer? So where you've got the board, you've got your figures and then you tell them what to do and roll the dice to make sure to hit you get

Rob: 53:21

not quite. It's more like imagine it's more like armada at all like Warhammer and X Wing combined. Right you've kind of got the dogfight the elements of moving the ships while they're constantly moving on. Yes, but then you've kind of got the dice rolling of light. And the board is literally just like open space.

JP: 53:39

The one that will probably resonate more like Warhammer is Legion. So Star Wars Legion is your tabletop miniatures

Chris P: 53:50

I swear it's like that

Rob: 53:52

that's gonna go in Legion. Yeah, they still bring up stuff. We're looking at shatter point as well. Now Yeah, shatter

JP: 53:56

point is obviously more on the pre call era, right? Yeah. But

Rob: 54:01

I've seen models of droids Yeah. As in the droid army.

JP: 54:06

Point no doubt. Yeah. Unless Unless they've done pretty cool miniatures for Legion on.

Rob: 54:13

Yeah, but But you think you'll with Legion, I find that legion. It's more like Imperial assault. But without story. You'll get to kind of create your own story. And create your own is purely about the battles. It's a pure

JP: 54:27

tactical skirmishes.

Rob: 54:29

Yeah, sometimes. There is a story, right? Yeah, I suppose. You know, you follow a scenario that's just not the same in my opinion. I mean, sorry, read Imperial. So it's highly written story. Yes, yeah. Yeah. But again, miniatures look great. And they're really really pretty and they want they need painting. They do need Legion. Yeah.

JP: 54:49

Yeah. People love doing it. Right. And I thought about

Rob: 54:52

that last one thing about what you said like X Wing, but when you buy them they're painted. Yeah, look pretty. That's nice. If I never played with X Wing ever. I'd still be happy when we were walking around the expo and there was a Falken there was the slave one ship and got damaged prey. Like, even if I never played with it. I'll happily buy that. Does it At last call, and I think that's where like Marvel crisis protocol kind of messed up a little bit is that if I would have spent so much money on that game, I know it's a different subject than everything else. But

JP: 55:28

that's the same as SharePoint because SharePoint is Marvel crisis protocol. But for Star Wars, yeah. So it's the same. I think it's the same game system. Not played it. He would know if he was here. Yeah. Sorry, Adrian, if we butchered that. He will

Rob: 55:40

let us know. Yeah. I saw boxes of the UK GE when we were there this year, but it's not something bigger. It's not something that would tick my boxes. But if you like that, but if you like that sort of thing, then it's all for you. You know, I don't want

JP: 55:58

to get into Legion, which is probably you know, you'd like walk Warhammer equivalent, yes, nice, grand, you know, epic land battles. Whereas SharePoint is probably a more streamlined system. I think. So more family or kid friendly. Yeah. And I think you can kind of get into it without the massive rules overhead, but I still think it sounds right my shirt. Okay, so they'll be probably wrapping up the list of Star Wars games, there's probably a few in there that we may have forgotten to mention. Apart from that, but I wanted to kind of end the segment. And the second run away, run away. I don't like it. Now I want to end the segment to talk about what's upcoming, which is Fantasy Flight Games is a new collectible card game called Star Wars unlimited. And this is is intriguing me one because it's Star Wars and it's a card game. I know they had a previous LCG card game. And this one looks very different. The artwork is all kind of cartoony like, which is quite weird to see on Star Wars. Because it's it doesn't look like the characters don't look like how you expect them to you know, Han Solo doesn't like Harrison Ford and, and all that. But I quite liked the direction where they've gone with it. It looks unique and different. But yeah, I've been looking at a few kind of videos online looking at kind of where it's going as a game system. That's quite fun.

Rob: 57:36

I'm just gonna stop you there. Because when you say I'm looking at videos online, you know,

JP: 57:41

I'm kind of putting

Rob: 57:43

on Florida. And he disappeared for two hours.

JP: 57:46

I was watching the game as what's in play for? disappeared. I was on the sofa. You were in Florida.

Rob: 57:53

At the end of the day. This is not during the middle of the day is suddenly the day off. This goes off. But then

Chris P: 58:01

theme park Bye, guys.

JP: 58:04

But I was tired.

Rob: 58:07

When I say disappeared, I mean we could see him. He wasn't naturally just completely just he was taking his turn on a ride. He zoned out and he came back two hours later was like that looks good. So he's telling me all about it. And we are enabling each other to go very deep very quickly down this rabbit hole buying booster packs.

Unknown: 58:31

If you're in I'm in for sure.

Rob: 58:34

So this proceeded for like three days. Yeah, I attended, and back and forth.

JP: 58:41

Yeah. So you know, it's it's looking at the system is that you have your leader so you got your Luke or your Vader or your leia or whatever. And obviously, you've got abilities. And then you've got two theatres of kind of war where you play your cards, you've got your space, and you've got your ground. So obviously playing your ex wins, and your tie fight isn't in the space area. And you play in the stormtroopers and, you know, upgrading units with lightsabers, or whatever on the ground. And obviously, you're trying to battle each other as you'd expect from any kind of kind of duelling card game. And you're playing your cards has actual resources as well, which you kind of tap for buying more cards and pulling into your engine. But at some point, you can amass a certain amount of resource kind of cards at the bottom and you can unveil your leader as a unit. So Luke will stop being the commander and he will jump into the fight and start hopefully doffing people up with his Jedi powers. And yeah, it just it looks cool as Fast Furious, that's like it plays fairly quickly.

Rob: 59:43

All I heard was Star Wars collect the war it's good or bad,

JP: 59:49

but that's the thing like I think oh, maybe this would have been better as an LCG and when maybe it maybe not because LCGs are a different animal. Yeah, where he obviously you know what you're getting when you're buying the packs, but they just seem to never end and they just melt this thing. And there's a lot of Marvel champions for me. It's like you've got to get off this train at some point. Otherwise, I'm just in it for the for the long haul and but then CCGs email where you don't have to get them all because you just get what you Yeah, but then you know, you go pack.

Rob: 1:00:21

They know what they're doing. They know what they're doing.

JP: 1:00:24

Yeah. So I have not made a minor but it does look cool. You have now I haven't I haven't not yet. But yeah, it's kind of a nice throwback to Star Wars Destiny, which now a lot of people adored

Rob: 1:00:38

Adrian, while he talks so much about this game and how good it was. And the fact that they ended it when it should have ended. Yeah, he's talked to me about that a few times that it reached a natural end. And they could have kept that going by releasing weird weird packs that kind of made no sense but were Star Wars characters basically said like, they finished it when it should have finished

JP: 1:01:05

when they're releasing the third iteration of Luke Skywalker from you know, a different era or whatever at this point. Maybe there were no ideas. Yeah. Yeah.

Rob: 1:01:16

He rates that game massively. Yeah.

JP: 1:01:18

I mean, it's like a cold it wasn't like it it is a card game but a dice involved. So you kind of rolling getting resources putting shields on it. It's like, it's very much like street fighter, but you've got Star Wars characters, and you just back and forth back and forth, back and forth doing combo things and it's very, it's very good. I kind of wished it is still stuck out of it. But I kind of wish there was like a set you can get 50 quid loads or not. Yeah, wherever it's all in but there's the best of it. Yeah, go and play it. Standalone would be amazing. I'd buy it tomorrow as we go, but we've got unlimited coming. We'll see what it's like have a look in

Chris P: 1:01:54

that part of my brain like oh.....

Rob: 1:02:05

lots of fun.

JP: 1:02:08

Yeah, there we go. Cool. Fun about wraps. Yeah. All right. Awesome. Let's finish talking about Star Wars games. And let's move on to the next segment. So now we're back with our Would You Rather as it's a Star Wars themed episode of The Star Wars thing? Would you Oh, there's quite a straightforward question. But I'd like to kind of see where everyone is going to land on this. So the would you rather is would you rather play Star Wars game? Yes. The hope of the light side the Jedi is the good guys the rebels? Or would you rather join the dark side? The Sith, the Emperor and all of that out the Senate and why? That's what I want to know. So Rob and I know where you're going.

Rob: 1:03:08

Jedi is a cool, Sith Sith are bad I hated Revenge of the Sith so much because it was it was all about it's all about the dark side. I love the movie. I just I watched that. And with such apprehension that because it was I just find a lack of faith disturbing. i There's a reason that the Jedi is like I always wanted to be Luke as a kid. And part of me still probably does now in all fairness. I'd rather be the good guy and save the galaxy than try and burn it to the ground and rebuild it as the set. I'd always be the jedi, but we could save the ones you love. from certain death. Everybody dies

JP: 1:03:52

I've ever told you about a tale of Darth Plagueis the wise.

Rob: 1:03:56

No, I don't need to hear either. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Chief. Yes, that's a shame. But no, I'd

JP: 1:04:09

always I'd always be the jedi. Yeah, always good guy.

Rob: 1:04:13

I've been the good guy in any game we play that's why I struggle with Avalon. That's why I struggle with those games. I don't like to

JP: 1:04:18

lie even in the board game. Yeah, absolutely. You want to be the Jedi you want to be the good guy. Absolutely. Interesting. Chris up. Well,

Chris P: 1:04:27

gotta be a bit of Palpatine you gotta be a bit of dark side. Yeah. Love about a dark dark side. Any games I play you always the first playthrough should always be good you goody two shoes and then the second play for you just do what the hell you wanted to do in the first place. Because your chest was the consequences kept on and now it's fine now I'm just gonna be evil and just destroy everything. The No Yeah, definitely. There's not that many games where you can just be evil. Yeah, apart from the one that you mentioned were obviously but that's one be one and it's Yeah. Yeah. But I'd rather just be that evil dark side

JP: 1:05:04

but say Yeah, interesting. Okay, interesting. You like the power? Yes. So like the power limited. Look out mace. Um, but what about you Dan?

Rob: 1:05:18

I played Knights of the Old Republic and it was glorious. Which obviously you can't really call Star Wars canon anymore. Can you know they've changed? They've changed it all up. And my expanded universe, Yeah, so the expanded universe expanded. My my dial was very much on the lower end red and my eyes were red. I have done many performance on stage in my time, and I've always played the good guy, the funny man, but occasionally I've played the bad guy, and the bad guy so much more fun. It's so much more fun to be evil because I'm really nice in real life. Yeah, it's really fun. So yes, dark side. Absolutely. Every time Yeah, every time. Emperor Palpatine is my favourite character. I don't know why he just is I think he's better than Vader. I just think he's brilliant but the way he talks the way he is the way that he double crosses the whole galaxy that come across is obviously he is who he is in the end. And he's just so good is the standard and the chapter plays in em yeah, it's just so good and when you see him like it at conventions and then he end up does the voice and this is I love it so much. Darkside all the way baby! okay fair enough, what about you man?

JP: 1:06:48

yeah I'm probably Darkside Yeah, briefly one

Chris P: 1:06:51

I love how it only took you two seconds

JP: 1:06:55

is a caveat though isn't there but there's no caveat is but like, I mean, it's not a caveat to my choice. The choice is Darkside Would I rather like if I'm playing rebellion? I love playing empire. I love it. Yeah, like I just so powerful. It goes to your head and you just you get complacent,

Rob: 1:07:11

which is what the Empire Yeah, you

JP: 1:07:13

got literally kill you right now, if I knew where you were, if I knew where you were like, look, look what I've got, I'm gonna absolutely destroy you. And you just go. And I love it. Because it makes you feel like Palpatine as I said earlier, but I think the Sith are cool and I quite like it. In the end it goes a bit geeky. I quite like it when we go into the Star Wars lore because they everyone thinks Sith, bad, Sith bad and it's kinda want its point of view, as well as a bit of some people. Some people like the Empire have taken it to to an extreme, but it is it is a point of view and the way that the attack things or the way that they approach them.

Rob: 1:07:59

I think the Jedi are evil, then you are asked Yeah, but yeah, exactly. Yeah.

JP: 1:08:03

So it's not as black and white as as maybe they can be portrayed. But I just think pacifical

Rob: 1:08:09

Yeah, they can't shoot for shit. But they are great. Yeah,

JP: 1:08:13

yeah, that's true. That's still true. But True.

Rob: 1:08:15

True. Just a theory about law. Which been the reason they've crafted shooting because you only ever see him shooting it Luke and Leia in the original. Yeah. And they're using that unconsciously using the Force powers to deviate the shots.

JP: 1:08:29

Oh, is that right? Apparently? Yeah, I heard. I heard it in a video. They're just spending lasers. But then,

Rob: 1:08:37

but then you see the guy in the Mandalorian trying to shoot the can and he can't. So it's like, yeah, maybe? Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. I do like it in the very first star wars movie that this storm trooper bangs his head. Yeah, doorframe. And then they are they added in the noise? Yeah. So good. It's like yeah, really appreciate your mistakes. Yeah. Love that. Love that cool.

JP: 1:08:58

So very quickly, then favourite Star Wars film go? Film? Yeah. Quick, cool.

Rob: 1:09:03

Return of the Jedi. The Jedi episode six.

JP: 1:09:07

Chris?

Chris P: 1:09:08

Phantom Menace? Jokes. Yeah, no new hope. And love new the original for Yeah, love it. Actually. I watched you watch it. This is not two days ago. Again. Just popped up my feet. You're gonna watch it do really, really well. It's brilliant. Yeah, there's a bit janky you know with the old effects and you know, you can see the strings Yes, brilliant. It's works treat

JP: 1:09:29

1977 But you're done.

Rob: 1:09:30

I actually love episode three. It is my I love just his transition to do is just I hate it the first time I watched it.

Chris P: 1:09:39

Hello there but

Rob: 1:09:43

I watched the Clone Wars. Then watched it. Yeah. And so it was a different movie. Yeah, definitely. Excited. I love it. I love it. Yeah, yes. Episode 3

JP: 1:09:53

episode three. Mine is Empire Strikes Back. Yeah.

Rob: 1:09:58

Which is typically around the table when when they open the door and standing there

JP: 1:10:04

standing with like a Sunday spread lasers with his hands Yeah, what

Rob: 1:10:09

do we got roast lamb on fancy stuff. Yeah, ha

JP: 1:10:13

Trump.

Rob: 1:10:16

Tell you what they I've read it with with kids, if you're watching, if they're into it and you're watching it. I always knew, like, I somehow I think we've talked about this before. I always knew that vader was his dad. I was at that age as a kid, whereas this spoiler,

JP: 1:10:31

I can't believe you just

Rob: 1:10:35

ruined that for anyone with this episode. But I always knew that like it was common knowledge. Yeah. Like, and now it's gone. So far. It's kind of been forgotten watching my kids watch that. Discover It was one of the happiest memories that I'll ever have. Because the sheer look on their face of just Yeah. Oh my god. Like it was the first like twist in a movie like that. That wasn't like, yeah, there wasn't straightforward in it. very underrated moment in cinema history. My second favourite twist of all time. Yeah. Not first. First is would you kindly? If you know what that is? Yeah, you'd if you know, you know, I know. Yeah. You know. But secondly, yes, this was fantastic. Movie twist. sounds so cool.

JP: 1:11:22

And my caveat, by the way, I didn't actually get to you didn't. Did you? Sorry. Yeah. The caveat is, I chose Sith. But I bought an Obi Wan lightsaber. He does. And so there's a little bit of good. And yeah, so that wraps up our Would You Rather and we'll get on to the next segment. And now we're back and we are going to talk about our penultimate term, which is what we're looking forward to what's coming up what we're excited about. And Chrisy P coming to you first. And the nine. I'm excited about you, but oh yeah,

Chris P: 1:12:02

I've just bought the coop expansion for the fallout board game. They're coming. Oh, nice. Nice. Well done. I know people don't like it because it's it's long. It's a bit kooky doesn't always fit together. But no, I love it. I play it so much.

Dan Apsey: 1:12:19

Yeah, that's good. Because I love them now. I'm obsessed with fallout

Chris P: 1:12:25

no one I bought from one of a Adrians friends, I think, yes, he did. So it's a different game to what we've known. It's the same one. But there are.

Rob: 1:12:34

There's I love again, there aren't yeah, there's three. There's the fallout one from FFG. Yeah, there's fallout shelter from FFG and the fallout wasteland warfare, which is the miniseries, which is from Mama, Mama Mama begins with them coming in. But they also do the RPG as well. I'm doing an RPG campaign of Fallout very soon. Yes,

Chris P: 1:12:56

I would like it. No, yeah. So I've just bought that. So hopefully, hopefully I get that at some point. I'd be cool. So that makes it all coop, which is nice.

JP: 1:13:04

I think that's the game. It should have been from the start. My people said that, because like, I loved it, I bought it. And what's really great, really enjoyed it quite a lot. But I think I played every scenario and we didn't prove anything. And I just love the way it kind of works. How you levelled up and the little mini balls, you get in your slot, the sacrificial in there. And just the way that will work was great. And what I didn't like about it was the fact that at some point, you're like, you're getting into the story going over there. We're doing this and then I've won. Which mean you've you've won. Oh, yeah. Because I did this thing. Yeah, as a glory points or something VPS that you get? And it's like, oh, okay, great.

Chris P: 1:13:44

Yeah. And then just Oh, then we played it originally, was that whenever you knew that was the variant, the variant rule variant, which is based on the factions that are playing? Yes. And then obviously, one of those wins, then it's game over. And whoever has the most points at the end of it wins. Yeah, that's, that's better. Yeah. But no, with the atomic bombs expansion, it just makes it fully Co Op. And it's a lot there's loads more different rules that they put in it. Which, again, exploration cards. Yeah, takes it away and makes it a lot more flattened. Nice.

JP: 1:14:12

Nice. Nobody done.

Dan Apsey: 1:14:13

Um, what have I got? Hegemony coming up next weekend. I'm looking forward to it. I'm not playing it for a little bit. So I'm really looking for playing hegemony. Which is like, for me, probably the second buzz game of my year. First one being voidfall, hegemony really good Euro game. Asymmetric political game

JP: 1:14:35

explained to anyone they get really,

Rob: 1:14:38

really, really good and it's really clever. Yeah, really. Daveys been banging on about it

JP: 1:14:46

when you want to play as the working class system of a country and it's just great because you're like Power to the people or gonna get the unions involved. That is you get into

Dan Apsey: 1:14:55

that cow it's just it's so good. And yes, wonderful is playing that play more Starfield because I've been playing starfield to death. And I've really really enjoyed playing that and but 50 hours in now. And I only Oh yeah, that's, that's good. Yeah, that's good for me. I got kids, we can

JP: 1:15:17

He's actually just the selected his character is a periodic 50 hours nice

Dan Apsey: 1:15:22

how many hours you in?

Chris P: 1:15:23

probably about 90 plus nine almost finished I've got two more achievements to get and I've done really well that I'm gonna put it down there but again upload again Chris doesn't need sleep. No no work off two hours

Rob: 1:15:35

I have to have a minimum of seven hours otherwise I turn into

Dan Apsey: 1:15:38

a gargoyle turned into a sith No, no, you will die I love him so much. Hegemony, Hegemony. Yeah. Which is really good. And then chances are pulling it by an expansion for if I just keep playing it and it's really it's really fun game and it's just race rate.

JP: 1:16:01

I need to play it.

Rob: 1:16:02

I need to get you down. Yeah, yeah, that again. Yeah.

JP: 1:16:04

Nice. Well,

Rob: 1:16:06

I haven't got anything booked in. We were going to look at getting too many bones.

JP: 1:16:11

We have got we've got that booked in have we?. Yeah, I've got a game night with Josh. All right.

Rob: 1:16:17

Cool. So yeah, too many bones. Coming up,

JP: 1:16:20

get to play the unbreakables? Yes. I

Rob: 1:16:22

love to. I keep getting snippets of Elder Scrolls because I've backed that. Which is too many momentary gains in both setting. Oh, is it? Yeah, I keep getting updates. And I purposely only read the first paragraph. And then I have to put it down because I get too excited too excited thinking it's gonna be like, you can you can read the rulebook. And you can see people play it if you want. I'm like, no, no, I'm good. Thanks. So yeah, we got that coming up. Obviously, we need to get a Skyrim booked in. But also the descent Chapter Two has been house. Yeah, we need to finish chapter one. And it's my fault that we haven't

JP: 1:17:00

as Chris was a book me Yes.

Chris P: 1:17:03

Let me know when they need to be there. And I'll be there that we

Rob: 1:17:06

haven't. But no, we need to finish that off. So I need to put that in. Plus Skyrim and Witcher

JP: 1:17:13

Yeah, so that's all you're getting. That's kind

Rob: 1:17:15

of what I'll do. I'll get a game out and it will stay on the table for like a month and I'll play it over and over again. blow the dust off. But then put something else out and then it will stay out for a while so yeah, it kind of started

JP: 1:17:32

off good. I'm gonna play a board game tonight like that scene in Indiana Jones and Raiders the Lost Ark was blowing all the bloody holes

Rob: 1:17:45

a couple of Lego projects too

Dan Apsey: 1:17:47

this ancient text.

Rob: 1:17:51

Table had to remain clear to get them done. Now they're done. Now I can get them out play board games. I can't get one of JPS lovely tables where you can leave a

JP: 1:18:02

very fortunate

Rob: 1:18:03

day maybe? Yeah, one day if I have one then then yeah, well worth a mention. Yeah, is perseverance. Episode Three and four is very soon.

JP: 1:18:11

It is soon. And I am fortunate enough to be demoing perseverance. Absolutely. Three quid con. Yes. You've been asked to demo. I'm learning Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm really excited because I love the game. Yeah. And I got asked Do you want a demo? Yeah, please. Yeah. So

Dan Apsey: 1:18:32

Robert, yeah. No, it

Chris P: 1:18:34

was great. Never played and I've seen playthroughs of it.

Rob: 1:18:39

It's like Dinosaur Island. We've seen that one but like on steroids. It's better and better and better. Yeah. Okay, I've got it I like it but it's better

JP: 1:18:48

but it's quite thinky it's yes,

Rob: 1:18:50

I'm not good at games where I'm left to my own devices I've got one paddle when I just go back I keep going in circles but I

JP: 1:18:59

wood spend wood collect wood

Rob: 1:19:04

this really big pile of wood that's why I don't enjoy perseverance

JP: 1:19:12

would really say theres no wood in perseverance is what you get the point Yeah. So the mind very quickly go for it

Rob: 1:19:20

because you're literally firstly bouncing up and down Yep, got what you got coming up JP

JP: 1:19:28

No, I've got well I'm just looking over in the corner I've got my burn cycle, new recruits, expansions and new robots and things that I've turned up for burn cycle so again, another chip theory which is nice, some of the burn cycle, Imperium classics or some of that but by now just looking forwards I'm not even opened yet I've literally just unboxed that as I got home about two hours ago. And and it just reminds me I need to play some burns cycle and we kind of been talking before the podcast or maybe we did it at the beginning. I don't know but remember this is right up your story, but we should play it and Chris will probably enjoy it. And anyone else who likes Co Op stealth games. I don't know

Rob: 1:20:11

if it's for me, but they're usually Metal Gear Solid. So maybe.

JP: 1:20:13

Yeah, I don't know. It's it's definitely a Marmite game. Yeah, everyone heard I heard that about it. But it's I enjoy it's very possibly possible.

Rob: 1:20:23

We've only played a two player me and it's hard. It's

JP: 1:20:26

so hard, be nice to win win,

Rob: 1:20:28

like to the point where we bought mine one night, didn't you? And we played it and 45 minutes. We got kicked. So we ended up playing ashes for 45 minutes and that was our evening. Do you really want to do that again? No,

Chris P: 1:20:41

no, no, but that's good.

JP: 1:20:44

We should do it. We should set up a night and we'll we'll play it but I'm looking forward to that. Well, let's wrap this episode up. We'll come to the end. We've got the final part. And it's been nice chat about Star Wars been fun. I could do this all day. You've heard Yeah. But now I just want to say thank you everyone for listening to the show. And we always ask if if you enjoyed the show, please share it with someone in your gaming group or someone that you think might enjoy. We always appreciate that. But if you want to get in contact with us, you can basically get in contact with us for a variety of channels that are all in our show notes. So check that out. But we'll be back in two weeks with another episode so whose turns is it?