Davey  0:26  
Welcome to Whose Turn Is it Anyway, a podcast all about our gaming group and our adventures in cardboard? This isn't Adrian who is the current first player. If you haven't guessed, it's James or Davey as some people call me here who has stolen the mic along with Kerley, 

Kerley  0:40  
hello, 

Davey  0:40  
and JP. 

JP  0:41  
Hello. 

Davey  0:42  
And we're going to talk about our experiences at the UK Games Expo. Yes, in this special expansion pack episode. So just as a little bit thing about our expansion packs, we're going to do a couple more in the future. And we've got some good guests coming in. We've got some of the developers from Eurydice Games, Paul and Jack, and they're going to talk about their game FlickFleet. It's real fun. I'll talk about that later as well. And JP has a special announcement. Also.

JP  1:11  
So yeah, now we've got Paul Grogan from Gaming Rules and really excited to get Paul on the show known Paul for a fair while now. So it's just good to Yeah, have a chat with him and see what he thinks and get his insight on the hobby. And yeah, looking forward to that episode. So stay tuned for when that one drops,

Davey  1:31  
nice. So we've got that to look forward to of our expansion packs. And this is one of them. We're talking about the UK Games Expo. So we're going to talk about the kind of games we checked out all the good things, some of the bad things which there isn't many. Let's face it, and kind of our highlights. So guys, how'd we find it? Yeah,

JP  1:52  
yeah. I feel like I've come back from a stag do. I'm tired. Literally. We came out yesterday. Right. I know, Davey, you got in later than a few of the others. We got back about three, four or four o'clock. You got back about what Eight?

Davey  2:07  
Eight? Yeah, we literally stayed until the expo closes on the Sunday

JP  2:11  
Until they kicked you out mate.

Davey  2:12  
So they kicked us out? Pretty much. Yeah, a couple of announcements go in the Expo is closing in 10 minutes just to get right. Get all the bids, get some deals to kind of get out. But yeah,

JP  2:21  
it would have been lovely to stay. I think I was just done by I think one o'clock, I was like, I'm done, i'm mashed and I get like that every every time so it wasn't anything specific about this year. But now I love it. I love. I love Expo, I love the fact that you kind of away with your mates. And for me, you know, I'm a dad of two. And it's just I love my kids. Alright, and if you're listening kids, I love you. It's just nice to run away. Nice to do my thing

Kerley  2:50  
for me not having kids. I'm just spoiled, basically. Yeah. My life is a constant Expo.

JP  2:54  
Yeah, that's the Kerley Expo. So yeah, no, brilliant. It's just amazing fun. I will get into it. Right, we'll get into some of the things we saw.

Davey  3:04  
yeah, that's the general atmosphere and everything. That's, that's one of my biggest things I like about the expo is kind of the, the vibe you get from everyone, everyone's there for board games, you have everyone's there to have a good time. It's real nice atmosphere, even if it's crowded with you know, 1000s and 1000s of people, which I think they said their top peak was like, 28,000 this year or 29,000 around there. It never felt you know, you never feel a kind of a bad vibe for anyone. So it's really nice.

JP  3:32  
It's important. I think the other thing I noticed this year more than I have previously is the diversity. And, you know, previously, you've got the typical 18XX dudes in the corner, we'll go over and no offence to 18XX players because they're great. But just saw a lot of diversity. Guys, women like, you know, kids, everybody and everyone was there. Yeah, and I think even the the open gaming in Hall three. I love the fact that even though it's probably the busiest I've ever had it, you could still get a table. You can still find a space. Yeah. And then just sitting there looking around and watching the sees of people just play games. And actually, I think Becky was saying right, she's quite finds it interesting when she said I'm going to nip to the loo. And just have a look at what people are playing.

Yeah. And you know, people wouldn't mind you just going over and having a chat and being like, Oh, what's that game? How does that play? What did you do there

Yeah, cool. I'll go and buy it right now.

Davey  4:37  
Exactly. So that's kind of the general feeling buzz but what kind of what games? Did you check out? 

JP  4:44  
God, where should we start

Kerley  4:46  
I was gonna say it's quite a lot go through top of your head. The one that stood out for me was Galactic Era which wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but I found it really enjoyable. Yeah, that was the one that I sat down and probably play for the longest. There was a couple of them, but that was the one that I liked the most. So, a 4X game, yeah. Title. I always say that and then I forget what the 4x stands for. I'm gonna challenge it go. Oh, God, exploit, explore, exterminate. And I always forget the last one helped me out guys.

Davey  5:20  
I only know 3x's

JP  5:21  
It's a 3x game, we should know this. You shouldn't

Davey  5:30  
just X rated that's it. For men and ladies on the front cover,

JP  5:37  
expand, expand.

Davey  5:38  
There you go.

Kerley  5:41  
So yeah, it's a 4X game. And we were chatting with a designer actually Channing Jones really, really nice, actually, about the reasons why he released it, the reasons why he designed it. And it was just interesting to talk someone who's I don't think I've ever talked to a designer sort of face to face. Yeah. So it's really interesting to hear his reasons how he felt like other games didn't scratch his itch that you wanted. I think it was deterministic. And couple of little, Ideas her came up with

Davey  6:07  
no randomness. There's someone else that has a similar opinion.

Kerley  6:12  
The tactics, the things he tried to achieve worked really well, you know, there was some really nice ideas in there. played really well. What did you guys think of it? Yeah,

JP  6:21  
I love the system. I found it really enjoyable. I could have happily played like all eight rounds. Yeah, I think in that that afternoon, it was...

Davey  6:29  
it wasn't a long game either. For a 4X it definitely it was kind of condensed like a three hour game. Yeah. turns to go quite quickly. But in a satisfactory way, not a I feel rushed rush to finish my turn

JP  6:44  
You know, have some interesting things. And just the way the the phasing the turn order was kind of laid out. And obviously, you're moving around and checking planets out and in the whole explore thing, which again, works really well. And then you have these growth tiles that you pick two of them, two of the oval ones, right, and then one of the square ones. And even that just thinking because you all do that secretly. And then everyone reveals in like, Oh my God, he's grown his military, oh, my God, that growing population or whatever. And it just, it just adds a little unique twist. And the thing the fact that you've got the factions, and the thing I liked about it is that you can kind of switch between your light side and dark side. And yeah, I'm sure it has a different names. And it's not Star Wars related. But you can kind of flip right? You know what, I'm gonna go kind of evil now and start declaring wars. And actually, if you're on the light side, you you can't declare wars on other factions.

Davey  7:35  
But it did have incentives to go to the light or to the dark. So I was wondering, like one player was going to sit in one because there was no, you know, there was no tactical reason to just stay in one mode

JP  7:46  
interesting take on it. And yeah, quite happily would have sat down, played the whole thing really

Kerley  7:53  
So I looked specifically the way that there was a random generate randomly generated kind of bonus for being either light or dark. Yeah, that you changed every time that you played it. I really liked that, because it made you kind of like it forced you to flip from light to dark and backwards and forwards according to what you wanted to achieve. And the different times, yeah, I really enjoyed that part of it. For example, my guys were like, they were trade orientated. And I didn't play around too much with it. But for an example, for every trade I did, both you and the person you trade with got a VP, essentially. But the dark side made it interesting because it forced you to trade. So for example, I could have said to you, James, you have to train with me, you got no choice. You have to Yeah, and I thought that was really interesting. By the way,

Davey  8:35  
my guys were telepath. So you could trade anywhere. So benefits, you know, played off each other quite well.

Kerley  8:41  
Yeah. So I've really enjoyed that thought we've worked really well. He did a good job. Yeah, definitely. He did a good job self published as well, which is always Yeah, very impressive. That was some, you know, parts of the game that we thought, you know, could have been a little bit smoother and things like that. But it was overall a fantastic I think

JP  8:59  
we are just spoiled. Everyone being I think, free play in Eclipse and, and even TI, Twilight Imperium. We're just used to, I suppose production qualities of these large productions. 

Davey  9:10  
That's the thing, you can't push a price point too much if you're self publishing it, because, you know, the big publishers are going to have all the resources at hand and you know, they're going to be able to push that price point down. So it's competitive. So you just have to take that into account really, and for an indie game is

JP  9:27  
something I wish wish him all the best of luck with it. Yeah, the system itself and I think a lot of strategy diehard fans would would get a lot out of it because it's deterministic. Yeah. And, and the fact you can actually have this grand strategy and not you know, it all falls apart and crumbles on a dice roll and kind of thing. Yeah, absolutely. Plan it out and crush your opponents.

Kerley  9:46  
I really am on the fence.

JP  9:47  
I've been thinking about it as well. It's been churning aaway

Kerley  9:52  
I genuinely think if it was actually available right now. Yeah, it would already be here today. It's a preorder So I can't I can't get my instant dopamine fix.

Davey  10:03  
Yeah he was unfortunate really wasn't he because he said there's the delivery didn't arrive for the expo. Otherwise we'd have a copy. So to keep on the theme of independent, like developers, the guys I mentioned earlier, Eurydice Games Paul & Jack they have the game FlickFleet. Yeah. And you we went down, we played that. And it's so simple to teach, you know, you have a ship, you put dice on it, there's a card which has your ships abilities to the side, and you just put tokens on for shields everything else. And then you just activate in turn, order, flick your ship for movement, and then either do an ability or flick a dice for shooting and it tells you how many shots you've got on your little sheet. And you just shoot each other into someone shortly you know, someone off the board but there's there's some real cool little mechanics they've like included, which are really well thought out and really well designed, in my opinion

JP  11:05  
But one question, David, is it like X Wing? 

Davey  11:08  
No, it's not

JP  11:09  
Good

Kerley  11:12  
He's got reputation

Davey  11:13  
If you do as well as you did for Crokinole, nearly called it Crinkinole again, but Crokinole, you'll, you'll do fine. Yeah, yes. They've got like little mechanics in there, where they've made some really cool like, nebula fields, and the the level space at the bottom, you can fit your ship under. But when you flick a dice, it's got like a little shield. So the dice will bounce off it while you're in the nebula field. Yeah, you can't get shot or shoot out the design. Yeah, some rules guide you can either just buy the core and play it when your friends come over. And that's it. Or you can get into it and you know, have a little tournament in your basement and have all your mates round and and you know, go all out 

JP  11:54  
Do you have a basement, we're in the UK mate i think it's called a cellar

Davey  11:58  
metaphorical basement games room. Yeah. So yeah, it's just really impressed with it and their passion. Yeah, their passion for the project was was really inspiring as well. They they seem like

JP  12:14  
self published?

Davey  12:19  
published themselves. Yeah, yeah. And it's just lots of fun. Yeah, I can't wait to try it because youre brother picked it up yet. My brother did buy it so we will be playing at some

Kerley  12:28  
if it's good then I'll consider getting a copy of myself because yeah,

Davey  12:31  
well they've actually got a Kickstarter coming out as well which has a new like new alien race and all new abilities again, so check it out. Check it out. Nice. And then probably moving on from there's no other independent developers we can really talk about not that I can really personally try there was so many games there that to try and get them all in three days I probably going to spend two weeks and not pay them more stress this face. So I mean, there

Kerley  12:55  
Well there was one shop we want to talk about. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I I was really really impressed by a Etsy shop called Trayed and Tested that I was yeah, just really impressed by the quality of the materials they were using the overall look of it and the aesthetic and the quality and what they do is they do Yeah, they do dice but the bits of the main bits are very interesting but the dice trays were fantastic quality and they also do like leather cases for them as well and they just look so good but yeah, the quality of it was just fantastic. I'd never what they do is they've got a wooden edging and then they've got these fabric on the in the middle bit and the one I bought was a picture of the identity as the original but it was certainly a picture by JR Tolkein for The Hobbit that we used to be the blue that the green and the white kind of front cover that was kind of all swrlls

Davey  13:51  
and yeah,

Kerley  13:51  
it looked very good. But it was I did it is really it was 25 pounds which is a lot of money but I didn't think bad for the quality that I got. And yeah the little leather pouch and everything else just made me well

Davey  14:09  
if these things are handmade it's the it's the manpower you know, you put your money into as well.

JP  14:14  
Yeah. supports the you know, supports people.

Davey  14:17  
Exactly. Yes. Yeah. Which is better than some corporations. Okay, souless corporation Yeah. Cool. So yeah, then what other games that we kind of play the couple of Fantasy Flight games? Yeah,

JP  14:31  
we did Marvel Crisis protocol. Yes. Was in the Asmodee Area and I always wanted to try it right. I love Marvel. Most people don't really make Yeah, I mean Marvel Champions bloody deck to bloody own.

Davey  14:46  
We all kind of love Marvel.

JP  14:49  
Just a great theme and thing to get into so accessible and as it's a miniatures game. I kind of thinking is it like X-Wing? I'm going to talk about X Wing on the next episode. You'll hear about my X Wing shenanigans soon? I've got PTSD with it

Davey  15:09  
You can call it X-Waaaaa

JP  15:13  
call it X-Waa something but I won't repeat it so Marvel crisis protocol, miniatures game you've got like Cap Ironman, captain marvel when you go against the universe different villains

Davey  15:25  
Crossbones who I kept thinking was Bane

JP  15:30  
Red Skull and Baron Zemo I think we had in the demo. And obviously because the demo they've wheeled out is the Sanctum Sanctorum from Dr. Strange and has loads of cars and scenery anything close looks really good as a play mat of a kind of desolated town centre or city centre or whatever. But now if you think about any kind of standard miniatures game, you've got, like templates for movement, which actually I thought were quite cool, because the they kind of kinked on a on a hinge where you can kind of go,

Davey  15:57  
yeah, yeah, I liked the little ingroove they had for your base as well. So your base would go right up to your measurement knew where to measure to in front. It was just, it was very simplistic. And you didn't you didn't have to think oh, wait, am I going behind the ruler? Or am I going in front of it? It was just

JP  16:13  
it wasn't like X-Wing. So that's fine. Yeah. So you can kind of move around and then obviously the your actions and again, I thought the combat system was quite fun and you kind of build income of power you can spend that power on abilities and and again, a very fun skirmish miniature game

Davey  16:29  
was a really fun skirmish miniature game. But what's our main problem with skirmish miniature games

JP  16:35  
Price isn't it? Like when you look at are the core set? Yeah, which is the core set and I think there's no RRP is probably eighty odd quid and probably get it for 75, whatever. And, and then you look at what you get in there and you get some of the characters and you get some of the scenery. And you know that when you buy that core set, you'll have fun with it for probably an evening and then you'll want more, you're gonna want more characters.

Davey  17:01  
I feel like these type of games you have to be invested in not only with your pocket, but you have to be invested in your body as well as you're literally you've got to go all in you know, that's all I'm pretty much gonna play for the next couple of years is gonna be Marvel crisis protocol. I want to go to the events I'm going to talk. Yeah, exactly. Because that's, I feel like the only way you're gonna get your money's worth.

JP  17:20  
I can totally understand why people love it. Yeah. I got the little buzz from display and oh my god, I can throw cars around at people. But I think for me personally, like I've mentioned Marvel champions, I'm in deep, I in very deep. I don't need another thing to get into.

Davey  17:40  
Well, we did the same. We did the same with X Wing i.e X-Waaa, when we first when we first played at the expiry exactly when we this is really fun. This is amazing. And you ended up dropping a lot of money in it. And then when you start, we when we started playing, and we realised we didn't have time to play that and everything else we wanted to do really. So we ended up dropping it wasn't really worth what we spent on it. Whereas when we spent you know, 70-80 quid on the ball game, we'd be playing a lot more than we probably would have got our money's worth for

JP  18:10  
Was for me mate I sold it but anyway, yeah.

Davey  18:15  
Yeah, a pretty quick. Yeah. And you hear about that in the next episode?

Kerley  18:20  
Yeah, but you know, we've, I think I've got a bigger problem with specifically Crisis Protocol. Okay. variation. So I really do think like X Wing, for example, I can see why it's had its longevity. All right, but it's a similar kind of thing to the skirmish games like the Warhammer version, what is it called these days? It's Age of Sigmar,

Davey  18:43  
no ages Age of Sigmar says full blown out game now. The skirmish was War Cry, or Kill Team.

Kerley  18:52  
So anyway, the point of the matter is, I can see that because you can write an army list essentially, you can give different abilities to different people, you can kind of make it how you want and yeah, every game is going to be different in some way or another. For me with crisis protocol, it's a character, you keep it the same, and it's never going to really be different. So I think it is actual chance for you to kind of just have the same game repeatedly.

JP  19:19  
Do we know enough about the game? 

Kerley  19:22  
No, potentially not, that's the problem

Davey  19:23  
But I also see that maybe that's a selling point for people though now the only reason I can see

Kerley  19:27  
it because I was gonna say is potentially it's aimed at younger people who don't want to do that. 

Davey  19:32  
Are even people that don't have the time to they will still as I said you've got to fully invest into it but don't have the time to make their own list and, and research What's the matter at the moment and just turn up and play

JP  19:43  
it appeals to me that the fact that it is simplistic I can just pick a character or a team of characters and you add the numbers up and you pick the cards. Yes, the the kind of scenario you play in or whatever it was. It appeals to me that I don't have to faff around. But I think the whole regardless of X Wing and the way it works, I won't get into it. because it will made me angry.

Davey  20:02  
You can't see how red he is in this room,

JP  20:05  
and I get why people like it, but the endless customization that you can kind of build on these things can't be arsed. 

Kerley  20:12  
Yeah, yeah It does get the more casual gamer, but I do. I do think that longevity is a natural downside.

Davey  20:21  
But if it was put in front of us, we would play it and we would enjoy it. Yeah. If money's not an issue. Yeah, then. Okay, give me give me Marvel Crisis Protocol.

Kerley  20:29  
I guess that's the point is money versus how long it would actually last for me. But as JP said, I don't know enough about it. I'm I'm assuming, which is a dangerous word to use, because of the character templates that we had that they were relatively permanent, but maybe there's

Davey  20:46  
maybes Yeah, there may be loads of other character templates for the same character and

Kerley  20:51  
there is a potential chance but if that is literally like Iron Man is Iron Man is Iron Man, then yeah, me.

Davey  20:57  
So disclaimer, all our opinions at the moment is on the demoed game.

JP  21:04  
Ignorant. Yeah, don't even listen to us talk about our opinions. There rubbish. But now it's good for us to talk about our experiences. And that's the point, isn't it

Davey  21:14  
That's it, isn't it? And everyone would have had a different one with the same game. But

JP  21:19  
I think also while we're there, yeah, what we're actually at that Asmodee area, we tried out Lord of the Rings.

Kerley  21:24  
So I was gonna discuss that as well. I really enjoyed it either. I've played it before, on line, but I've never played with my friends. And they made a big difference. I would say, our experience at that table because everyone was learning. It was very different. But for me, it was like, Yeah, I'm gonna enjoy this again. Me & Rob are getting in.

Davey  21:42  
I thought you're gonna enjoy it. I played it with kind of my other group just before you guys. I remember saying to Kerly, no one no one trained to know these from another group who are using my computer game friends. I've kind of started slowly converting them into some cardboard. Yeah. One of us. I thought Kerley, I thought you were going to enjoy Yeah,

JP  22:09  
I thought it was great. Oh, good. Now, I could easily see me playing that a lot. And again, I've got Marvel Champions are probably not going to buy it but I'll play it. Absolutely. I like the system in it.

Kerley  22:22  
It's probably the nearest comparison to be honest as Marvel Champions, but I mean, obviously, Lord of the Rings living card game came first. But it is a relatively...

JP  22:30  
you can tell how it's evolved to different card games that Fantasy Flight have done you can tell that they've looked previously

Davey  22:38  
Champions to me is not more simplistic, but it's it's more of a streamline kind of condensed version, isn't it? Yeah. Whereas Lord of the Rings, I quite like the the epicness in the campaign feel to it, and you have more of a team. I think I like combo-ing off of each other as well. That's really nice. You've

JP  22:57  
got your heroes. And obviously, if you're playing for players we did in the demo, you've you've got, you know, 12 Heroes on the board. And then you're the allies. And suddenly, you've got all these different characters that can kind of play off each other to do things. And it's actually now I'm going to help you out with that spider. And I'll kill that. And actually, then I'll do that. So again, it just encourages more interplay, and I feel like a fellowship. Yeah. I feel like I think a lot of Lord of the Rings, it's the fact you can combo off other people, whereas Marvel champions is a bit more restrictive.

Davey  23:28  
They did, it's definitely made it more singular, your this is your deck, you're playing it. And the only thing you can kind of do is just like give a resource will give sometimes given action. Off certain specific cards

Kerley  23:39  
Yes. Can you defend in Champions I seem to remember you saying you can defend someone else if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. So that's probably there.

Davey  23:46  
Yeah, that's that that is very similar to Lord of the Rings as well

JP  23:48  
So it's a great system. And I'm glad they've kind of gone back and done a revised core for Yeah, brought, you know, brought it back to life, because I wouldn't have probably played it. If I hadn't done that.

Davey  23:59  
No, keeping it to two players, I think just would have kind of restricted it a lot more with having that four player....

JP  24:07  
And that's what they've learned with Champions, because that's the first core box they've done, right? Yeah, that's the first core box with Arkham Horror as well. Eventually, they're gone and revised that. Yeah. Yeah. Because the core the original core was only two. Yes. Two cores. Yeah. Which is a bit naughty. So it's kind of like No, make sure you can play four players out of the box. But that's only fair.

Davey  24:30  
It also gives the two player one more variation because they can change there decks up a lot more. They got more more cards,

Kerley  24:37  
getting more people into it. And once more people learn to either buy or buy games and their own expansions.

JP  24:42  
Hopefully Rob's getting it. Yes. Or you're getting it. 

Kerley  24:45  
Yeah, me and Rob have already discussed the plans. Yeah, yeah.

Davey  24:48  
Yeah, my friend did buy it. And he's got an expansion

JP  24:51  
I'm down. 

Davey  24:53  
Yeah, so yeah, good game, what else we got. We also have...So I think that's pretty much all we played on the Fantasy Flight section. We did see Nemesis though it's worked well and we've talked long enough we have an episode about it

Kerley  25:10  
I mean, not Unfathomable was there and as much as I actually wanted to play but I've got it already I love the game.

Davey  25:15  
Yeah exactly. Exactly it won an award I think as well didn't. So you've got Carooka, which I didn't play. But yeah, it's more flicking.

JP  25:26  
It's more flicking. It's very much like Crokinole. And I'll talk about that in a minute. But yeah, Carookao is Crokinole versus snooker. So think about a circular wooden board. You've got pockets in you know the edges all around that board. And then you've got disks which are representing the balls, I mean, all the different colours and the red disc etc.

Davey  25:46  
But what you have to stand up and move around the board a lot

JP  25:52  
No of course then because it comes with a lazy susan.  So yeah, I thought the guys that you know, there, I think there's a husband wife team, producing these Cuca boards, fantastic quality for the price point they were offering, I thought was a great deal

Kerley  26:02  
I was gonna say the price point actually surprised me to be sub 200 pound for what looked like really good quality you explained was

Davey  26:10  
expected probably about 300. Because that's pretty much were Crokinole boards sit.

JP  26:14  
I think they sold two tables to Ian as one, Rob is going to pick one up and shocked if Becky didn't get one.

Davey  26:23  
Yeah, not in total, but to our group.

JP  26:28  
That would be a catastrophe. But now I think just a really fun game. I mean, what's this as a snooker you sit in a flicking your cue ball.

Davey  26:36  
It's just another great pub game. Yeah, man. It's like kinda like pub feel to it

JP  26:40  
it's fun. Yeah, not much more to say, very fun game

Davey  26:44  
Check it out. So talking about flicking things. We'll talk about the Crokinole tournament. I think all of us pretty much joined up who went. Kris came down especially Rob didn't. Oh, Rob didn't

JP  26:58  
So basically six of us entered I think. Yeah.

Davey  27:02  
Yeah varying skill from all of us. Some of us played it a lot. And some of us have played it like twice, three times.

Kerley  27:09  
I played a few times, but I haven't played Crokinole in over two years before the tournament.

JP  27:16  
And if anyone doesn't know what Crokinole is, I mean Ian will probably just get mad because he'll go why not? Everyone should know what Crokinole is. But it's it's a Canadian kind of based flicking dexterity game. It's like shuffleboard. Isn't it? Shuffleboard , bowls

Davey  27:29  
Yeah, yeah

JP  27:31  
of thing. And it's quite addictive. It's a pub game kind of might have offended all the Crokinole players there. But it's that like,

Davey  27:40  
when you can be pro at a pub game. With your beer

JP  27:44  
No. Yeah, we had 41 entrants in the competition. Yes.

Davey  27:48  
Yeah. There was a good time that wasn't

Kerley  27:49  
meant to be more 44 i think

JP  27:51  
Three pulled out. And we played a series of Round Robin basically rounds. We have four groups. Then we were doing round robin. Yeah. And then the top three of each group kind of then got into the second round, and then eventually into the top four, and then, you know, semies, and finals and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, it was good fun. It was good. Yeah, Ian did a great job. I just want to put that on record. You did a fantastic job organising that. I know he was quite nervous about it. And there's quite a lot of pressures and a lot of pressure on him. Which his whole focus of that weekend was him basically getting ready for the tournament, running the tournament, oh he tournaments over I can relax. So yeah. I mean, you've got the positions have you, David, in terms of how we all did.

Davey  28:37  
No, I think I've lost this. We won't talk about

JP  28:41  
we've got them. Where did you come Davey?

Davey  28:43  
Somewhere I think somewhere. No, I didn't. I didn't do too well. I think I did the worst in the group. I'm gonna blame on the fact that two of the people on my table were the ones in the semi finals. So yes, not my skill level ha ha. I seem to have like a big block at the start and a big block at the end where I did really poorly. So I'd also blame the tables, but I won't do so I can. I was 31st but I mean that's in the UK. So you know, out of 44 though, or 41 Becky came 27th, Kerley 26th Kris 18th, JP, what does that say I can't read you're sorry. Sorry. JP, and I think 41st for JP, or 12th Yeah. Well, he did very well. You got through to the second round. Second round. Yeah. Just before the semis

JP  29:34  
Then I got absolutely pummelled. 

Davey  29:39  
Absolutely the the points difference between the first group and then when you got into the second group

JP  29:43  
I think I got 46 points in the first round 20 Something like that. Yeah, it the level the skill level. It was just a different level and like I've been playing for most of the morning, I was getting tired, making mistakes and you can't make a mistake. like these, these guys and girls are playing, they're just like machines. Like, flick. 20 flick. 20 Flick 20 Like oh god. And then you make one mistake and it's over. You just can't pull it back. So yeah, I mean, kudos to the people that

Kerley  30:14  
I do have a complaint though. Ian put my score down. Well, I told him my score. He had the check off. Who was it? It was 33. And he got me down was 30 on this list. I'm not happy.

Davey  30:22  
Maybe you know, maybe you're finished

Kerley  30:26  
I finished 24th Fall of him though.

JP  30:28  
All right. Yeah, whatever

Davey  30:36  
Ian came 9th and yeah, that was our group on the tournament. Well doen for everyone that played it was a great atmosphere. Yeah, just want to say, you know, kudos. And also, we should mention the person that won it. Brian cook. Yeah. Congratulations. Well played. He's the world champion, isn't he

JP  30:56  
Yeah I played him and can't walk straight.

Kerley  31:02  
A little bit strange, where two people walked past his empty chair to go beyond him. I was like, right. Okay. I'll sit down and say hello. All right.  World Champion. First gaming tournament was against the world champion. It was absolutely lovely. Really good.

Davey  31:20  
Very humble bloke to be so good at it. And just yeah. Cool. Well done. So. So moving on. There's a couple of other games which were played. Galaxy trucker. Yeah. So me, so I've played Galaxy trucker before, but you've played? I've only played the first edition. You've got to play the second edition.

JP  31:38  
I don't think it's wildly different. So me and Rob went to Czech Games Edition. And we sat down, it was the first thing we booked in I thought, Well, I'm gonna book in a demo. Rob's never been I thought, you know what it's like when you turn it you kind of looking around and you're trying to find somewhere sensory overload. Yeah. And for now, let's just get straight to somewhere we'll sit down and start getting playing, you know, and until Galaxy trucker, I've not played before I know what it is. It's kind of a light. It's silly game. It's not silly game. There's actually there's some strategy to it. But it's, it's mayhem, chaotic. My, the fact that you kind of have a junkyard, so if you imagine a junkyard of tiles of different spaceship parts, and you have a certain amount of time to build your spaceship, in real time with other people, and you're only allowed to pull a tile off. And you can only look at the tile if you put it over your mat. And then you have to kind of put it down. And then you have all these different connectors and types and different parts of the ship that you're connecting together. And it has to be legal. And if it's not legal, then it falls off or falls off. So yeah, so you you kind of uh, you build on that ship. And once it's all ready and then the ships got like cannons, it's got engines, all these things. And then you're like, Yeah, I'm pretty proud of my ship, I've built this really lovely thing. And then someone points out and go, hang on a minute, that left bit, you got on the end isn't connected, right? And you go, Oh, shit, and then you have to pull it off. So then you get your ship, and then you essentially go on your adventure. And it's just kind of too hard. It's like running the gauntlet, isn't it? That? Absolutely. So there's, you have these event cards, and you can actually look at some of these event cards whilst you're building. But obviously, if you do that other people at a time when

Davey  33:15  
you said you and Rob were doing it, I did laugh because I remember how stressful he got with Captain Sonar saying I'll come to that

Kerley  33:23  
real time game does not suit Rob

JP  33:25  
So we went round. As usual, you got these cards, right? Pull the first card, right asteroid, right. And what happens is that whoever's in front of the pack, rolls the two dice, and then the number determines where the asteroids coming down on your grid. If you think of your ship as a grid, and, and if it's a light asteroid, if you've got shields on the right bit, you're fine. If you've got an exposed connector, then that bit falls off. And if it's smooth, it's fine if it's a heavy asteroid it's just going to destroy the the first thing that hits in your grid and obviously if you if you've unfortunately built your ship with one connector off on the like the right side of the ship and it hits that specific connector the whole right side of your ship just falls apart and goes away which is what happened to Rob which he wasn't happy about because we all laughed at him out as we as we progress through the game the same thing started to happen to us he laughed back but anyway oh actually I like this game. But yeah, it's just a fun game and I think second edition just has a

Davey  34:25  
bit more home take it too seriously Can you you know it's literally just go and have a bit of fun. You will get screwed over by randomness

JP  34:35  
You can mitigate it to a certain point if you know what's coming or you can see the odds of things coming up but playtime play time but this is what they've changed in second edition so in thinking first edition you have to play through three three stages and then

Davey  34:49  
you've got to buy each ship part is different ships as well with

JP  34:53  
their different layouts as the stages grow. Yeah, getting bigger and bigger and bigger ships. Whereas in this edition, it allows you just to play one of the stages where you can do all of them. I think there's more flexibility. Okay, you can do shorter playtime. If you're playing with kids might just do stage one plays in about 20 minutes. Yeah. Or if you want to do a bigger thing and play it for an hour and a half. Okay, so I think Rob's gonna pick it up. I think he really enjoyed it is good. It's just a good fun game

Davey  35:17  
Yeah

Kerley  35:19  
Sounds quite appealing. Well, always after like games to add to my small game collection. Yeah.

Davey  35:24  
Yeah. When when I first started Wargaming it was a game we play all the time. It was always the one we got to the table. First. We play a game of Galaxy trucker. probably doing about half an hour. 40 minutes have the man's mad scramble to start when you're just grabbing tiles go, Oh. You're not allowed to like, you can hold only a certain amount of tiles that you may want to reserve. That's it. Yeah. So then you chuck it back in and somebody goes oh, well, now I need. Oh, no, I did actually want that. Yeah. So

JP  35:52  
when you took them back in the face up? Yeah. That's exactly what I need. Yeah. And they get really happy.

Davey  35:59  
Play down about half an hour. 40 minutes, and then we'll play our heavy games after sounds interesting.

JP  36:03  
It's good fun.

Davey  36:04  
It was good. Fun. Recommend it. Okay, so other games that you guys played? This is the first day when I was out galavanting was heroes three

JP  36:14  
Galavanting yeah, you can talk about Heroes II Kerley as you know more about this than I do. Obviously I played it but you're big on Heroes IIIe the computer game which I didn't even know existed. So Oh, my magic.

Kerley  36:30  
Yeah, so is Heroes of Might and Magic 3 basically.

Davey  36:34  
Heroes three, I did not have a clue as might imagine why I didn't even see that.

Kerley  36:38  
Now. It's basically by a fan. Who's basically

Davey  36:43  
that's why it doesn't have theMight and Magic logo kind of.

Kerley  36:46  
It's all on there. So yeah. Different. He's got permission from the whole IP. And I was just chatting to him. There was a designer who was teaching us actually I'm really Yeah, and really, really nice guy. You know, it's still in a prototype stage. It's not even a Kickstarter yet Kickstarts in November. But essentially, it's a fantasy strategy game with exploration and RPG and levelling up mechanics in it. Just like the computer game exactly like the computer game, he's made a distinct effort to make it as close to the computer game as possible. Which was

Davey  37:19  
quite it works. Yeah, it works work, because that's why it takes me process to do because, obviously, you know, behind the scenes in a computer game is doing all that work for us. If you happen to work out too much with a board game, it's going to slow the pace down. So how did it how did it work?

Kerley  37:35  
So essentially, you start out in your main town is the old hex style grids, it's got a centre hex for the town and then and surrounding loader hexes. And essentially, most I'm gonna say all but most of the tiles have rewards on them. And the better rewards are defended by creatures. One of the biggest differences from the game that computer game has it where when you attack a group of creatures, you you don't know exactly how many creatures there are. But you know what creatures they are? Yes. All right. So for example, you attack some goblins and you knew they would Goblin them on this. Yeah, exactly. knew their abilities were Yeah, exactly. For an example, I know the slot the computer game, that you wouldn't attack any range troops, because they were to take it to heavy toll on your armies and stuff. But in this game, it's random. Okay, so you know that, you know, the relative strength because you know, is between one and five strength of the monsters. So you know, roughly what you're going to be fighting as far as their strength goes, but what they actually do and what creatures they are, you don't know, it's picked up from from a tile. And then he did that intentionally just to give that random variance and an element to it, which I thought was quite good because you can't have a randomly generated map like a computer game. And this is a nod to the fact that the variance is important. So yeah, you go out you explore, you have different missions, different scenarios that have different win conditions, loads of variation, when you get to the edge of the hex, then you can spend one movement which is the same as the 2010 version of civilization to view the next area and then you can choose where to go from there. So you can go into the new hex you can go into a go the other way and decide that one's not worth exploring. And generally speaking, you collect resources production one off resources, same as in the actual computer game, and you level up your town to give you better creatures and better production all those creatures and things like that, but it's very similar to the game really enjoyed it even though we're still in a prototype stage so the artwork wasn't complete and things like that but definitely see huge potential and I'm signed up to the mailing list signed up to the mailing list definitely gonna be Kickstarter in it so...

Davey  39:49  
hands rubbing together Yeah. Rubbing your thighes as well. Going to play this in three years. Yeah. How did the combat work? Just Oh, that was the my favourite bit about

Kerley  40:01  
It is fairly simple but quite interesting. So it played a little bit like I suppose most similar that I can think of there's probably Too Many Bones

JP  40:08  
exactly how I got the TMB vibe.

Kerley  40:14  
It's fairly simple with circles all over the place when you move from one circle to the other, you've got range troops who can shoot anywhere on the board and you've got melee troops so you have to be close up to be able to hit them probably a bit further apart. I think they're a bit further apart they start them in Too Many Bones

Davey  40:27  
I suppose that's kind of how old Might and Magic did it anyway it is fairly similar

Kerley  40:31  
but probably on a smaller scale so you know

JP  40:33  
just very tactical like the way that you because if you're drawing the random enemies then your opponent controls his enemies to fight against you and vice versa. And I just I really enjoyed that because then we kind of teamed up didn't we for the demo and we had Ben who was kind of doing the the hand management stuff and I was doing the battles yeah and yeah, I quite enjoyed that and just like oh, it's like TMB we put the cards in there and then this happens and then actually it makes sense if I activate this guy first to take your guy out there because he's going to activate next so I got that yeah flavour I thought they did a really good job with it yeah.

Davey  41:09  
Can you end up fighting each other is it so is it a multiplayer was a co-op? Well, interestingly,

Kerley  41:13  
they made a scenario specific for the games Expo to play quite quickly with reduced map size and things like that. And he played in about I don't know probably about an hour in real time and stuff like that, you know, but played in about an hour but the the whole scenario ending was you have a fight. Yeah. With the with the other player. So it's very much PvP. I don't know if all the scenarios are going to be like that. I imagine. Like in the in the computer game, some of the scenarios will like find this amazing artefact or, you know, complete this other side quest rescue.

JP  41:45  
Quite varied then.

Kerley  41:46  
So yeah, exactly. But this specific one was PvP, when you've had that fight the game's over. Yeah, just

JP  41:54  
as a person, I have not played the computer game and just came into it. I thought I wasn't going to enjoy it. For whatever reason. I thought I know nothing about this. This looks heavy. But then we started playing and I just had a lot of fun with it. Yeah. It's actually a really good system. Yeah. Makes sense.

Davey  42:11  
Yeah, I can, I can definitely see from playing the computer game. In fact, now you've said that with the grid system. You said it's like Too Many Bones. I think actually, probably Too Many Bones got his inspiration from a computer game. Actually, that is how they used to work with the kind of turn based grid system. So it sounds good. So to look forward to in 2025. Yeah, definitely. So I've got to play a game called Nicodemus by Bombyx Games. Yeah, it was it was good fun is that you basically have cards of abilities, you lay them out on a conveyor belt. It's, it's kind of like a duel mode of Imaginarium. And yeah, you get resources, and you kind of try and screw over your opponent and see what he's doing to try and take resources off them or take cards and yeah, it's a nice little duel game. It's got very, it looks simple. The symbols once you get them, you know, it's one of those learning things. Once you get the symbols, you understand how the game plays look simple to play, but very lots of depth and quite hard to master. I think.

JP  43:18  
What's the theme that was it kind of about?

Davey  43:20  
The theme is you're some crazy inventor making these weird machines. Oh, that I've got animals attached into the artworks requite out there really, I've got like, like shark teeth with like, human goggles slash face imprinted on it. It's a very unique art on the cards you're playing. And the symbols did take a little bit for my brain to work out. Well, once it did. It was like, Oh, actually, it's not too bad as with a lot of board, you know, board games with all of them. Yeah. It own symbology. But yeah, and once you fill out the rows, you kind of have lots of different actions you can do with the cards and they mean lots of things. So it had the depth fair as well. So yeah, it was good fun. The guy that that taught us I have I've actually forgotten his name, but he he did a really good job of the teach as well. It was it was point by point bang, there's the game. We've picked up off the off you go have a game probably play in about half an hour your game so yeah, really good. Really good fun. Escape the Dark Sector. I think we all had a go this it's the sequel, where I say the sequel is just the follow on to escape the Dark Castle. So you know where you getting with it if you know, escape the Dark Castle is if you don't it's kind of like a card based RPG. That leads you down a set path. Like one of those old school techspace RPG.

JP  44:44  
It feels like Steve Jackson Fighting Fantasy books. That's what it reminds Yeah, of like, Yeah, except like you you have that deck of cards or storage of cards, which are randomised. And then that's your kind of story deck that you playthrough.

Davey  44:57  
Yeah. And you have a character and what's a bit If I knew the Dark Sector is you have like near implants you start with which give you the rerolls when and you get ranged weapons yeah which is quite a nice little add on I think to is slightly different to the Dark Castle risk reward element

JP  45:13  
yeah, 

Davey  45:15  
yeah it's really nice and really enjoyed that it's just really good one shot dungeon crawler

JP  45:21  
you could probably have a game in half hour Yeah, I mean you'll die but Yeah,

Davey  45:25  
apparently the the person teaching us she did a really good job as well. She was like no one's played this the whole time live in here no one's no one's got to the end. So that's the kind of difficulty level you're getting but we really enjoyed it.

Kerley  45:40  
I'm mostly going to dip out this one because it's not my type of game. No and I do find it too punishing. Honest, but I want it to be a bit more casual and it's not really yeah it's quick but it's really punishing and you have to like the IP for me it's not my bag

JP  45:55  
Yeah, I understand why

Davey  45:57  
I can understand the artwork is like a bit of my mom I think it's either you love it or you hate it Yeah. Not mine. Yeah, there you go. And but we really me and my brother really enjoyed it. We've got quite far we need to go to the boss

JP  46:11  
We got about two / three away I think from the boss

Davey  46:13  
Yes, we were one card away from the boss

JP  46:17  
Yeah then a robot killed us. Yeah, I think you're the one that got speared or something they shot my arms off, he made me read out the story at the end. I died. But again, he did a good job.

Davey  46:28  
Yeah. And to me that was you know, it's just good fun. Yeah, that's kind of rounding up all the games we got to play demo wise we played quite a lot. So we played a lot of games at the open gaming Las Vegas Royale, which is coming up in our next episode. So listen out for that Love Letter, which we speak about a lot throughout most of our shows

JP  46:48  
Yeah we will do Yeah, cuz it's good.

Davey  46:51  
It's so good for me. I mean, we played it in the foyer of the Premier Inn.

Kerley  46:56  
Yeah, Hobbit version. We do have an issue with the Hobbit version but we'll talk about that

Davey  47:00  
Broken combos

JP  47:04  
I have an issue with every Love Letter it's not classic Lovel Letter

Kerley  47:08  
for me the the IP as you've all gathered probably yeah exactly is obsessed and it for me it was one of those I specifically went out of my way to get

Davey  47:17  
in see the broken combo server that were missing something anyway. So if we're missing something let us know, I don't think we are but otherwise (3) Torial and the (8) Arkenstone you pulled a draw those and yeah, great the ways so yeah, Love Letter. Lords of Waterdeep you guys played

Kerley  47:36  
Yeah got Becky into that? Wow, he loved it. Yeah, she absolutely loved it before

JP  47:41  
she No. First time first time.

Davey  47:44  
I love how deep Becky has gone into board games now. She used to be on the fringe and she always be on the fringe and now now she's just you know, she left to bring them by with family games

Kerley  47:57  
12. 12 she had 6 in each bag because she was weighted down and she couldn't actually move if one was too lopsided. It was ridiculous and I reckon I said to her but again I said those bags are bigger than you is like she literally carry these massive great big bags but see she Yeah, she absolutely loved it.

JP  48:16  
That was one of my favourite moments May is watching your wife on the first day have to you know have to be in in the Bring & Buy by probably three times at the end of the day just skipping out of Hall 1 with all those bags. And she looks as happy as I've ever seen her.

Kerley  48:32  
Yeah, I'll be honest like to take the mickey out of us and bloody hell all that money, but I'm delighted that she's into it. Yeah. He said to me yesterday when we got back it's brilliant that we've both got into the we're both into something Yeah, that we love shared together.

JP  48:46  
You've got a shared experience now. Yeah, that's lovely.

Davey  48:48  
Yeah, I remember I saw you guys when I first day randomly bumped into you guys and I was like, whats all this games I've bought

JP  48:58  
It wasn't like she was hiding it she was like I'm gonna tell you about everything. So enthusiastic, good deals,

Davey  49:05  
She got some good deals as well.

Kerley  49:06  
So she's threatened to call some of my games on my collection. Civilization is going, it bloody well isn't

Davey  49:15  
The Kallax culling so yeah, Becky also went to the games library so it's a little library there where you could hire on games and just play so you didn't actually have to buy anything I but I don't think if someone's gone to the Games Expo and not bought one thing you must have been one thing I know. JP already broken

JP  49:38  
it I'll tell you why reason why is that I've already got loads of games you guys know. And literally the week probably wasn't even a week before when burncycles turned up, was going to say burncycle. Not long before that Perseverance has turned up. And then I've recently bought Super-Skill Pinball And I know so I've been kind of chipping away and buying things. And then I felt like at the expo, I just wasn't after anything specific and nothing kind of jumped out. If I bought something it would have been for the sake of it, the only one thing I was teetering was Kanban EV. And think about all Vital Lacerda games is that they're on a higher price point. They're over 100 pounds for the game and don't get me wrong, they they look beautiful, well produced, etc. And I've always just been like, Well, should I should or not. And then I'm thinking look, I've got loads of stuff to play. And I haven't really scratched the surface for half the games. So I just, I just didn't feel the need to and it's the first time and I kind of thought am I okay,

Kerley  50:41  
like I only bought one. I just thought that was only kind of like you know what, I've never given Pandemic a decent go. So I thought I'd buy that and give it a whirl some time

Davey  50:53  
out of our group I think you two own the most games.

JP  50:55  
Yeah!!!

Davey  50:57  
Your kind of like standing back and letting everyone else go buy the games.

Kerley  51:01  
We the same thing as JP in the fact that I my games haven't turned up yet. But I've had delivery notifications not on delivery, but they're being sent out now. I have three of my kickstarters. Yeah. So I was just like, you know, I've got a shelf ashame? I've got three Kickstarters coming. Yeah, I don't really need another half.

JP  51:23  
I think if I saw something that I got excited about, or I managed to watch a YouTube of a particular game. Ooh, that looks interesting. And I probably would have picked it up. And the other one was Carnegie. That was kind of should I. But yeah, I'm quite happy. Like for me,

Davey  51:40  
we're definitely content in our games.

JP  51:43  
Yeah, I've reached a stage in my collection where I don't feel like I have to get everything anymore. And it's quite a nice feeling. To be honest. Yeah. And it's great to see your wife buy everything else. But also yourself, Davey you know, it's good to see you picking up some stuff as well. And also getting some events up in the group. Yeah. Which is which is also great to see. So

Davey  52:04  
leading on to that the game I did get a good deal on it as well as Barrage. You're welcome. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Cuz I asked the shop to see if they had it. They said no. And then clearly saw it for me in that same shop. But I got such a good deal. I didn't mind. Looking online, no sales at that price. So

JP  52:25  
Barrage is awesome. Such a fun and nasty game.

Davey  52:31  
Yeah. When you look at it, you it's one of those again, it can look a little bit plain, but the art works cool. And it does. It does look cool. But you're moving bits of water around on a track that's powering dams. Yeah. Hydro-Electric dam. Yeah. And quite boring theme. But when it plays out, it's actually really interesting, because you've got little pipes that move the water around. So you've already got to think about connecting where all your dams are. You got to think about where your electric stations are. Oh, is someone going to then steal your water upstream? Yeah. And you've got little ability cards that you can then build on and it's got real nice, smooth mechanics in there. Your turns are short, your actions are short, it's a worker placement. And it's, it's very tight. You feel like Ah, how am I gonna get over there and do this and suddenly you do and you think, Oh, wow, this is going really well. This is a well oiled machine.

JP  53:26  
Yeah.  You Kind off got to get in each other's way. And that's the important thing. I think when we did, we were relearning it because when we learned the game, we learned over a Tabletop Simulator during COVID. And, you know, you know, Barrage being  that light game that is the amount

Davey  53:39  
of times we've flipped or locked down pieces and tiles, and it took so so long as we probably got our game down in an 1 hour and 40 minutes.

Kerley  53:49  
Once you've said that before we finished lots of water. Yeah,

JP  53:52  
the setup was probably longer. But no, I think they play really slick even for 2 player. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, well, I think you do probably need the extra player, it's just the game.

Davey  54:03  
But rare ones, where four players is going to be actually a real...once everyone knows the game four player will be a real fun contention. And it's going to create a lot of conflict, even for Euro. But in a good way. Rather than feel like always screw me over it's so you can always work around.

JP  54:21  
you get like advanced notice of how much water is going to come from the kind of headstreams right at the top of the mountain. So you already know like, oh, in lane three, there's going to be two water droplets that are going to drop down. So you're thinking, I'm going to try and catch that with my dams or I need to elevate my dams enough so it catches all the water, then you got to do that and then some git puts down higher up the stream to catch the water first. And then you're like, and then they route route the water into a completely different lane. And you're like you bastard.

Davey  54:50  
but then you can try and counteract that by building your damn Yeah, where he's gonna route the water. Right?

Kerley  54:55  
So then it's like so long as it's nothing like the other water game I've played

JP  55:01  
What Pipeline?

Davey  55:04  
Yeah, yeah. So I think it is better than Pipeline. But it's it's definitely quite streamlined in your decisions. I found it sometimes you just got quite a lot to think about and do and but it's definitely one where those actions are very important, but I don't know. I feel like we played it quite quickly. It was and we were learning it as well. So I did feel we got a...

JP  55:28  
we had the advantage of playing it before didn't we.

Davey  55:30  
Yes, we did. We did

Kerley  55:32  
I'm signed up to your event I think is in July right in July.

Davey  55:35  
So good to get into the table and play it. No doubt. Yeah. The other game I'm actually playing a solo game, the other one I bought anyway. I bought two i bought Radlands. That's just a little duel game. It was quite good. Bitoku Japanese themed game about spirits but looks really good. Looks nice, nice, like dice worker placement

JP  56:00  
ooo my favourite .

Davey  56:03  
...building and what's the game where you move the little dudes around the church that give you abilities, Coimbra, Coimbra. And it has some Coimbra mechanics in there as well, where you move your little pilgrims around. It's basically you've got all these mechanics all lumped into one, which is great. That's most board games these days. Yeah. And you've got dice but you never roll them the dice are there just for values when you're putting them out that you have to beat other people, but also, when they when they crossed the river. So when the spirits cross the river, their dice value drops, and it always stays on that value. So when you get them back to the next round, they've dropped their value. So it's got this real nice, like, balancing mechanic of your dice are really strong now. I'll bet they won't be later. Yes, you've got to really careful right where you're putting on Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just, I mean, I didn't even play the game. And I saw it and I fall, and I've just bought it because it looks so amazing. And maybe I shouldn't offers my spontaneous buy. But yeah, good things. Yeah. So that was my other purchase. But no,

Kerley  57:09  
it's not my purchase, but I would like to show one other go. Becky's Yeah. And I think it's something we're all looking forward to, hopefully, Spirit Island. Oh, God. Yes. Yeah. It's such good things about it. It looks awesome. The artwork looks amazing. The game looks really cool. I'm interested.

Davey  57:25  
I know. I know you only bought in the last Expo, if you remember because I saw it. And it was either that or Robinson Crusoe. That's the one I got instead. Yeah, it's increasing.

JP  57:36  
Yeah. Now it's supposed to be good. It's supposed to be a good take on colonialism, where you take control of the spirits to fend off invaders and basically clear them out and very much asymmetric spirits that you can play.

Kerley  57:50  
I think it just looked nice because it was kind of like a fairly not I wouldn't want to say heavy but heavy ish strategy game.  I think it is heavy mate. Yeah, but with a fairly I'm not gonna say unique but rare.

Davey  58:02  
Yeah. So that kind of engine building and, and strategy element that's Co Op is isn't really a common game. I'm struggling to think of another one that plays like it. No, even Robinson Crusoe and I'm sure there is but Robinson Crusoe is a in depth strategy game, but you don't really have you what you just get pelted from you kind of start getting weaker and weaker. You just get dissentry. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So yeah, it'd be interesting to play.

JP  58:31  
Yeah. more thoughts on that later.

Davey  58:35  
So that's what we did. Yeah, well, I have a couple meals as well, which was nice. And we all just chilled out.

JP  58:42  
I think that's the good thing I really enjoyed is just taking a bit of a break, going to the Resorts World section on the I call it the campus, but you know what I mean. And then just sitting down and having a proper meal, which is kind of a tip for anyone it's kind of going to the expo is the food options and stuff. You can obviously eat right there, you've got sandwiches you've got in a hot dog stalls and burger stalls, and hog roast and all those kinds of things. There's quite a lot of variety of food options, and you got Wetherspoons is literally out there. But as you'd expect, with most of these things, the cost of the food is not cheap. You want a sandwich, you're going to pay for the nose for it and you need to kind of expect that going in but I quite like that. We made time to have a meal to make time for as a group of mates and stuff to kind of go away and just chat and debrief about a day. You know and have a "What did you buy"

Davey  59:34  
Why did you buy having like a rushed hot dog in one of those stands on a demo in like five minutes? Yeah, you're nearly costing it's nearly cost you as much for this hot dog as it did for a Five Guys or...

JP  59:48  
Las Iguanas, which is what we did

Kerley  59:50  
Yeah, I think the temptation on an expo is just to make food very functional. Yes. Whereas I think you know, you take the more French take on it, which is makes it more of a social event. So it's nice to just catch up with the people who've gone with you. Yeah. Because, you know,

JP  1:00:04  
it was a five minute walk away. So it's kind of like, it's worth it

Kerley  1:00:07  
it was delicious. 

Davey  1:00:09  
Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what kind of what we got up to in our downtime as well. What are the like the most standout best things about the expo? Do you think

Kerley  1:00:19  
for me? It was, I think you might mention it earlier on Davey, but it was just being in such a large location where the atmosphere felt like you with like minded mates that kind of thing. Yeah. So the atmosphere just felt really good positive, didn't see any trouble with 29,000 people there that you said at its peak, didn't see any trouble at all. And everyone was thrilled. Everyone was positive and happy. And I think that can really make the weekend because it just gives you a positive vibe. Yeah, you know, so that, for me was a really big positive. And also the Crokinole Championship as well, for me was a personal highlight. Not because I did particularly well, I did alright, I didn't embarrass myself, which was the whole point of it for me, but also because it forced me to get chatting in, like, give out a shout out to Neil, he's a professional magician, and we were having a nice chat. And it was just really nice being in a social situation that the tournament forced you into that made you interact with people, and it made you realise how alike and how easily you could get on with people that you wouldn't even talk to normally.

Davey  1:01:27  
Yeah, I mean, usually, when I bring up board games, and I talk about board games, all day, people start to turn off at a certain point. Whereas at this event, you know, people will just be engaged the whole time. And it's so nice, isn't it being able to chat out that kind of

JP  1:01:39  
funny, you mentioned the, you know, chatting to the, you know, your opponents, essentially, and I found that I think in round one, having great chance for people learning. Yeah, or different stuff. I mean, the vibe is completely different around to everyone got the business side of things now, like we're not talking. We're playing Crokinole. No, yeah. And actually, personally, I enjoyed that round less, from that side of it, and actually quite like the more casual take.

Davey  1:02:04  
Depends what you're there for is 

JP  1:02:06  
Yeah, I think it says to me, I'm not really a tournament player. To be fair, but there will be. So it's interesting, you say that. But now I think my little highlight, actually, it's kind of a bit of a weird one to say, but we all sat there playing open gaming, and this guy walks past. And then he stops. And he says, Oh, I listened to your podcast. And I just thought, Oh, that was really nice. And it's just a little thing. But I really appreciated it. Somebody you kind of recognised us and stopped to say hello, and, and and yeah, just said hi. And it's really nice. Yeah. And it gives me a nice little buzz and feeling.

Davey  1:02:45  
I think the main reason we do this as far as our own enjoyment of the hobby, you know, we like to then all sit around and talk about it and kind of spread the word and to have someone then to be like, oh, yeah, I listen to you guys was just as quite just, it was just humbling was yeah,

JP  1:03:00  
that's the word. It was humbling. And, yeah, just really nice to kind of experience that because everyone's already been going two and a half months. You know, we didn't expect in everybody's going, Oh, my God. You know, the podcast guys are here and lets stop because, you know, we're new on the block. But now I was just a nice thing. I was definitely highlight for me. Yeah, loved it.

Davey  1:03:24  
For me, I think it's just, I can't really condense this one moment for me as it Kerley hit the nail on the head, just the atmosphere. I spoke to so many different people. I was having chats with loads of randoms. And everyone was random. They were to me I am yeah. Yes. And we were just just having a good time, you know, all with a similar interest. Yeah. And it's rare you get that and that's kind of why everyone goes and if you don't need to, but

JP  1:03:58  
You should go should go yeah, I'd really love those Davey or a few of us all have these business cards in our podcast info and you know, because why not? We're trying to promote what we do. And the way that Davey was kind of combining handshakes with with business cards in his hand and flicking them out like ninja stars to everyone he spoke to is brilliant. It's just like whoosh, whoosh.

Kerley  1:04:22  
like, are you guys a club or a new podcast

Davey  1:04:25  
We're a biker gang just got chattings

JP  1:04:29  
We are the lamest biker gang ever.

Davey  1:04:34  
We sit on imaginary ones and go brum!!!!

JP  1:04:36  
what made me laugh is that Becky tried to do the business card thing and she ended up handing out her room key, to a random guy.  That was my favourite thing

Davey  1:04:51  
Ian probably would have taken that room key though because it would have been a lot better than his hotel in the in the ghetto. It turns up and there was just a police car outside Is this the first thing he saw

JP  1:05:02  
we're just getting WhatsApp messages from him? How shit his hotel was and we're just laughing.

Davey  1:05:08  
Outside.

Kerley  1:05:09  
I'll be honest, I would go as far to say shower because they don't bloody need it. But I have to say Premiere Inn. I can't fault it

Davey  1:05:15  
Yeah, it was good. Yeah, we got to go down and do a charity event as well with Paul Grogan.  Just One

JP  1:05:23  
Just One event forgot about that. Yeah.

Davey  1:05:24  
So if you've not played just one, which I'm sure most people have, it's like the the the biggest game at the moment for families and the like. But you have one guesser, they have a clue card. Everyone else looks at the clue card, you say a number. So there's five clues. So I'd say three. And everyone else has like a little whiteboard. They wrote their clue on on the whiteboard. And the thing is, if anyone has the same clue as another one, they have to eliminate it. So you're not allowed to talk about what clue you're putting down. And it's obviously just one word. You can't have it in a different language. You can't rhyme with the word stuff like that, but you write it down. Once you've clarified that everyone hasn't got the same clue the other person sees all the clues and they've got to guess the one word that it associates to so

JP  1:06:20  
yeah, I think what it does is as the kind of clue givers that you know this so if you go for obvious clues, you know that the higher chance of that being eliminated and therefore as a team you're not gonna get through right then you're thinking of obscurity or semi obsecurity is a good way to go Yeah,

Davey  1:06:36  
rather than to abstract because sometimes you think oh, but if you will know someone well you can go right this is so abstract

Kerley  1:06:44  
that was at one point was it dirty skinny Ronald, the dirty skinny Ronald was JP's.

Davey  1:06:50  
All I could think of was Uncle

Kerley  1:06:56  
if anyone can guess what that is skinny Ronald was as a word, good luck on that

JP  1:07:01  
if you're listening and put your your guesses down we're not going to tell you all that although we are put on the socials. So Ian did ruin it. So we might as well tell everyone it's fries fries. Yeah. So so the two that got eliminated was McDonald's? 

Davey  1:07:17  
Yeah. Which probably would have helped and so so poor Paul had to try and get these no idea. Why is easy. So that was a really good laugh. It

JP  1:07:27  
was gonna work out and I thought actually worked really well. I thought it was quite good that you had the guesses and the loads of people are willing to go up and do it. Because, you know, again, people might not feel comfortable about going up on the little mini stage and doing these things and you know, and it was all in good fun bit of a laugh and it kind of flew by I think that hour flow by until 8pm

Kerley  1:07:46  
I already I didn't think it was going to be like that. I thought we would be lots of minigames of people playing all together and maybe you mix up groups so I hadn't mentally prepared to go on stage. So I kind of I didn't I for some reason I didn't want to do it I'm not you know for a living I talk in front of people, i'm a trainer but yeah. So you know, I didn't have a problem with nerves or anything but for some reason I just hadn't mentally prepared myself

Davey  1:08:09  
I just couldn't stand up once I sat down I was so tired

JP  1:08:14  
I didn't manage to prepare myself when Paul's idea of the mic and I would go guessing and introduce the podcast at the last minute and I was like I haven't got my pitch ready. So yeah, that was like oh just make something up.

Davey  1:08:28  
And you went you went the same colour as your T shirt at one point

Kerley  1:08:33  
this is not specifically to do with the Just One of them which was great was for charity and everything else. I'm not sure if I'd want to do something that late again. Yeah, between 7 and 8 for me by the time we finished that the open gaming went out the window really? We did do it but it meant that we finished really late Yeah, I know. It wasn't really late. It was probably about 11 Half past maybe even a touch later but it was around that timeframe. And when you're up at seven o'clock to go to the expo every morning and you're there till 12 o'clock at night kind of felt a bit too much so you know for me I probably any events I was going to do I'll probably try and do it a little bit before that. Next

Davey  1:09:09  
Yeah because the other one that was on was the dark room I think wasn't it that Stewart went to.  Went on until 1am, drinking

JP  1:09:19   
Sounds like chaos. Sounds great. Yeah, sounds like right I think that's the event you would do for the entire night. Yes, you kind of you're prepared yeah going in your experience in it and yeah, 

Davey  1:09:30  
we haven't got like two bags and like six board games that you can go into kind of thing on one thing

Kerley  1:09:39  
I don't think I've gotten near to buying a ticket but I was interested yeah,

Davey  1:09:42  
I was interested as well but so maybe check out for the next one but because the other one is Shut Up and Sit Down do an event

JP  1:09:50  
their thing just do a free whether you sell them if it's paid now but these just do a free show that you queue up for. First come first serve.

Kerley  1:09:58  
Yeah, that was free. One Oh, yeah, that's

Davey  1:10:00  
the queue that goes around buy the tickets because yeah,

JP  1:10:02  
Toute Suite. And usually, yes. And that's, I've been to one of those before. That's good fun. I was just listening to a podcast that they do. Yeah. And, you know, they're like, yeah, there's actually quite. Yeah. Don't take life too seriously. So, yeah, I'd recommend kind of catching some of the shows. But I agree with your point about like, if you want to open gaming, then do something seven to eight cuts into it a little bit. Yeah. Does he not getting started till nine, 

Kerley  1:10:29  
but I kind of feel like seven is a sweet spot for me to start gaming in an evening. ,

Davey  1:10:33  
Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Yeah, especially if you're playing a bigger game kinda needed that time that? Yeah. So to bring the tone down, and any negative things that we can think of any bad things?

JP  1:10:44  
I don't think for me, there's negative experiences, because it's just all been a positive wave for the entire weekend, apart from the usual thing, like, Oh, my God, I've been on my feet for so many hours. And why did I pick the shoes? And oh these underpants i'm chafing? Whatever? No, no, I think, again, not not a negative. I mentioned the cost thing. It's just something to be prepared for. If you go there and not expected that might ruin your experience a little bit. Oh, I didn't budget for that. Or I didn't expect a sausage roll to cost me 8 quid or whatever it is. So it's just I think more for other people. I already know it's gonna be expensive. I've done it three times before. I can't think of a specific thing. That that kind of has ruined it or anything. Yeah, it has not been that negative. The only thing I will mention is on previous expos, what I have missed this year, is that kind of big publisher big release big buzz about a game, lots of kind of demo copies of our eight copies. You know, you've got to try this. Yeah. But then, having thought about that a bit more, actually probably was a positive because they allowed more of the smaller publishers to get more of the limelight, more of the trade or more of the kind of footfall without everybody get ambushed, try Fantasy Flights, newest thing. Because like, the previous one I went to was 2019. And then Outer Rim was the kind of a big release, had to go and try it. You know, and then before there was something else can't remember

Davey  1:12:21  
Buzz before at that same one about Villagers and Gizmos, I think that because they have like five or six, you know, tables worth to you, you're able to play the game

JP  1:12:31  
We we're missing some publishers, I think, this year, for whatever reason,

Davey  1:12:35  
I think, yeah, there was a lot more smaller tables sections. And so it was a kind of, it's a good thing and a bad thing. The bad thing is you can't demo every game that's there. The good thing is there's a lot more variety and there's a lot more, smaller developers there which was really good.

JP  1:12:53  
And I walked past the same avenues or lanes or whatever you call them about seven times and I saw something new every time

Davey  1:13:00  
as it started getting less busy. I was like, have they been there the whole time. I checked off and

JP  1:13:06  
absolutely yeah, yeah, 

Kerley  1:13:08  
I don't have any negatives I will reinforce what you said about the cost. You know, I think at one point I had lunch with a coffee or Fanta sausage roll and a wrap.

JP  1:13:18  
Other soft drinks are available

Kerley  1:13:19  
yeah you know, that was quite a bit too far from an expo but it was 17 quid and it was just like I expected to be expensive for me it was like oh, you know that hurt a little bit but like JP said you just got to mentally prepare for it you know you got to ride off that money before you go otherwise you will just end up not enjoying yourself yeah. And it didn't have a massive impact on me but if I bloody oh you know

Davey  1:13:43  
taken away my board game money

JP  1:13:46  
always you can prepare for that as well like you know if you're if you're going for the day you can bring your own stuff Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you know so if you think our I don't want her to kind of keep buying you know Coke or soft drinks and that then to take water i There are water refilling stations all around which I've completely forgotten about and I've forgotten how to dehydrated you get just being in that environment with loads of humans an air-con just gotta keep hydrated because you will feel crap and I know like Davey the previous one and that might have been the alcohol you felt a bit rough didn't you matey and yeah. Water but yeah, 

Davey  1:14:31  
had a migraine was quite dehydrated and put some saline and me and I went yeah,

Kerley  1:14:38  
yeah, I think so. It was the cost but the only other thing that I found was a negative was the shop and drop was really good idea. I had no problems with it. But it was full when I went there on the Saturday. So for me it's like you have to have it because I had probably three or four bags were Becky's bags, my bags I had a few accessories So I bought, and I just had to lug them around. I even bought some games for the evening. And I'd been thinking I could put them in the shop and drop and I couldn't because they were all full.

JP  1:15:07  
So as full not queuing, but just full altogether

Kerley  1:15:11  
Couldn't put them in

Davey  1:15:12  
There was so there was some other things I heard online, negative rather shop and drops. So hopefully they'll sort out next year.

Kerley  1:15:19  
Essentially, yeah, it was boxes. Yeah, was really all it came down to. And I think there was an organisational issue where a couple of bits were lost. And so, you know, limited space at the end of the day, yeah, this is it. So I guess maybe they didn't, intentionally didn't provide enough they didn't have the room or, you know, maybe they underestimated how many people will come in whatever the case will be. I think that was a big negative for me having to lug around stuff.

Davey  1:15:44  
Yeah. My one, which was a teach from 1 person. So I said before that I had a group of friends that I went with who aren't really big board gamers. And we sat down to play Lord of the Rings the card game. And the guy we asked said, Oh, that's fine, I'll teach it. Rather than saying he didn't know how he didn't know how to play it, rather than just saying, if he said he didn't know how to play it, they would have been fine, because we would went through the rules, and he could have helped us that way. But instead, he proceeded to sit down, he proceeded to read through the rules really quickly at us, if I started putting my friends off, they didn't understand they're not a big board gamer, as you know, I started to put the muffler on, I had to kind of interject, pull up a Rodney P video and say, Oh, well watch this. And kind of like, try and show him away. And he kind of wouldn't. And then luckily, his colleague just finished teaching the other one and kept another game and came over and was like, right, so you have group adventures, you're the monsters over on the hill, you're going out and was a really informative and enthusiastic teach. And suddenly, everyone was back in the room, playing the game, really enjoying it. And it kind of flipped the experience, but it very nearly put them off and putting them off at that early could have been quite detrimental to their whole experience. Yeah. So that was the only negative thing. But then we came across the next day, the or the couple of days after the Crisis Protocol guy. And he said he didn't know how to play the game, and he will learn it with us.

JP  1:17:23  
Yeah in all fairness to him. He was very honest. Yeah, and fine.

Davey  1:17:27  
And you know, that was fine. And we all learn the game together and a good laugh. So that's this, I would have preferred the honesty and just saying, I don't know, we can learn together and being part of the situation rather than just being Oh, no, it's fine. nonchalantly and just shouting the rules at you isn't gonna help.

JP  1:17:43  
We know some of the some of these people who are demonstrating. They might, some of them might be getting paid, but some of them are just having their Expo experience funded by the publishers, right. Or the distributors, but so you know, that they're put in some situations, they want to experience the expo. And but yeah, you're gonna get a different quality, but I always like to people who are just honest like, I don't know how this works. I'm literally been put on this game this morning. I've got a demo all day. Let's learn it together. Have fun together. I'll help you. You out me. And then yeah, we kind of circle back and saw him later on, he was teaching other groups who say are you getting on? Yeah, he's like, Yeah, really good. thought he might have appreciated. Because you could you could take the way you don't know what you're doing. Right. And, and that's not really a nice, kind of inclusive way to behave. And nothing. Yeah, just be honest.

Davey  1:18:36  
But it was, it was like it was one of the whole expo. So you know, I'm not didn't ruin my experience. But that was pretty much the only negative thing. And if that's the only thing I'm saying i'm happy, as well,

Kerley  1:18:48  
it's like, especially with where you would playing the Lord of the Rings LCG is there were how many games in that area? 12

JP  1:18:57  
What of Lord of the Rings? Quite a lot

Kerley  1:19:01  
So you're gonna get people who don't know each game 100

JP  1:19:04  
I rotate them around a bit to be fair to them.

Kerley  1:19:07  
I mean, it sounds like that was potentially an issue with learning how to teach people, which is a skill. Yeah. But yeah, certainly, you know, the knowledge of games isn't always gonna be there understand, but I would prefer the variation. Like there were what like I say 12 styles and all of them for means you could play something if you want into Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that one stand, then it's gonna be Yeah, you got to wait an hour on that one. So yeah,

Davey  1:19:28  
that's kind of our expo experience. We've kind of give you a few tips or any more.

JP  1:19:34  
Yeah, I mean, comfy shoes.

Davey  1:19:38  
I've currently got little toe that was like a big toe. So yeah,

JP  1:19:42  
just, you know, you're on your feet. You're not used to that. I mean, if you're working like retail or anything, you'll be fine because you're on your feet all day. But if you're anything like me, you said that computer has been on your feet is tiring. Also, tips for hotels. It's just probably too late. Now if you're listening to this, which is next year, get them reserved and booked early, and obviously the dates for next year was 2nd-4th June.  Don't tell them JP, it's alright. But you need to get them in early because the prices rocket. So my advice to everybody goes to expo, you know, if you can find out the dates of the next year's Expo, whilst you're at this year's Expo, get your hotels reserved, you're gonna save a considerable amount of money. So this might be a tip for next year, because it might be too late. Some of the prices that I've seen already

Kerley  1:20:33  
and what's the downside, you know, if you buy a flexi room, then there's no downside, you can just cancel.

JP  1:20:39  
Absolutely, yeah. And you don't pay now you pay later. It then it secures it. So for me, hotels, and also if you can't get a hotel like near on the NEC area, don't be afraid to kind of get an AirB&B nearby, or somewhere because, you know, the main train line runs into the NEC anyway. And it's very easy to kind of hop in hop off very, you know, reasonable price tickets to get there. So even if you stay in the centre of Birmingham, you can be the NEC in what 15 minutes. It wasn't actually too bad when we stayed in the erm 2019 We did Coventry, there are options if you think our price is a bit too much. And actually, I don't want to go to the open gaming till midnight because that's the other consideration is getting the train. What train times when's the last train? Yeah, all that kind of stuff. So, but it's worth mentioning, I think for people

Kerley  1:21:32  
I think the other advice I would give people as if you book a hotel a year in advance is make sure you write it down and tell your wife.

Davey  1:21:38  
Yeah. Yeah, we didn't happen to just one of us. It was me and Kerly that both double booked.

Kerley  1:21:46  
Yeah, so I booked my hotel last August and totally forgot about it. So I had to book again, more recently, and then I'd already and then I got an email about three days. Welcome. We're looking forward to your visit. It's like eh what?

Davey  1:21:59  
The exact same thing. I got the email a day before the saying, Oh, we're looking forward to your visit. And I was just thinking, Oh, I'm in the same hotel as you guys then. The book the Ibis, but it was funny. I cancelled it and I got my money back. Well got my money back. So

JP  1:22:16  
the other thing just in my mind if you're doing the full weekend as in so the full three days Friday to Sunday. This time I drove up early. And I've must have set off I must of woke up about I know just gone 4am set off. Got breakfast set off about quarter six. Get on the way. I like travelling then because the motorways are dead, coming from about what two and a half hours away. But the toll it takes on you by the end of that day, I was wiped out. I was I was done. I think you guys like we're going to game till midnight, and I'm done may function and o'clock. I was just gone here. So it's that kind of thing. And I remember we did this before where it will again, if the expense is a thing. Stop somewhere on route. Yeah, like, you know, and then get up and kind of drive in the half hour drive. Yeah, the rest of the way we did. I didn't mean last time we did. Yeah, I completely forgot we did it.

Kerley  1:23:11  
Yeah, I've put the Friday and Saturday night. I must say that. I think it was it was a really good idea. i This time I stayed the Thursday night as well. Yeah, we travelled up Thursday evening after Becky finished work. It's kind of nice. That was nice. It was nice

Davey  1:23:24  
I probably will do that my family lives in Birmingham. So what I might do is I might just go stay with my family on the Thursday night and then travel and make it a lot easier.

Kerley  1:23:33  
And there's nothing that there's pluses and minuses to both sides. Yeah. I think if I can afford it, then I might book an extra day.

Davey  1:23:41  
And also, if you do want to demo something, Sunday's your best day Sunday was, as I said, I could suddenly start seeing stalls I'd never seen before. You can also get some good deals. They started slashing prices. Yeah, you can start haggling and bartering with people. I know as soon as usually frowned upon, but a lot of these a lot of these Expo stalls don't want to take their stuff back with them. As you know, it's a nightmare packing it down and it's nightmare carrying it, they will just prefer to sell it to you. And it's you know,

JP  1:24:12  
they want to clear it out. They absolutely want to clear it out. So if you're willing to kind of wait until the end of Sunday, which I wasn't to be fair, I was done. Yeah. I know. You were Davey and you are seeing a lot of deals. Yeah. So you will get the discounts if you're willing to kind of wait, you get to play the games you want to play. The other things if you don't have that luxury, then you're gonna have to queue up and you're gonna have to be there when the doors open, and you're gonna have to know exactly what publisher or what store you want to go out and get there. So you got to do your research and plan ahead. So again, if you're looking to specifically demo a specific game, get researching.

Davey  1:24:52  
get stranger felt like Friday was busy on a Saturday that Saturday had more people.

Kerley  1:24:57  
Well, I kind of feel like Friday was busier. yeah, that definitely how it felt. But I think it was a bit of an odd one because of the bank holidays. I was Yeah. Okay. Normally a lot of people can go for I could have done yeah, a lot of people can't go on Friday. There was a bank holiday this year. So that's why I think it was certainly maybe

Davey  1:25:14  
on a Saturday. Yeah. So,

Kerley  1:25:19  
you know, bit of an odd one this year, I think

JP  1:25:21  
Won't happen next year.

Davey  1:25:23  
No, definitely not a big thank you to everyone who kind of you know, was there and that was friendly to us. And you know, it was just, it was just a real nice vibe real nice community. And we can't really be happier with with how the expo went and our experience with it really, so. With that we're all knackered Yeah, me and my big toe, my legs feel like they've gone through you know, I've went through some kind of pilgrimage

Kerley  1:25:51  
Probably have mate

Davey  1:25:53  
off to get some shuteye, but if you've enjoyed the show, please like subscribe and review on your podcast player of choice if you want to get in contact with the show on our socials. You can 1) email us on players@whoseturn.co.uk, 2) to check us out on Facebook page @Whoseturnisitanywaypodcast 3) Instagram @whoseturnpodcast and finally, TikTok where you can see our expo ventures and lots of strange videos, mainly of me @whoseturnisitanyway 

JP  1:26:26  
being a bee, who likes to eat KFC

Davey  1:26:29  
We'll be back very soon. With Adrian being first player. He's going to reclaim the mic. And that's us signing off. See you later.

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